Computer Flight Simulations for Training
Guest
Posts: n/a
>767 PIC is still only a game as is MSFS- which is designed >for a large proportion of gamers and to make microsoft
Do you have this addon ?
What makes it a 'game' ?
I've tried the ELITE demo, whose software is approved by the FAA for instrument training.
I didn't see any difference between it or MS FS or X-plane.
Btw,there is an interesting article in this month's FLYING mag. Peter Garrison talks about mdeling his homebuilt using X-plane. He says that the flight model comes very close to the results that he got from 'real' aerodynamic modeling programs (LOFTSMAN, CMARC).
MIke
Do you have this addon ?
What makes it a 'game' ?
I've tried the ELITE demo, whose software is approved by the FAA for instrument training.
I didn't see any difference between it or MS FS or X-plane.
Btw,there is an interesting article in this month's FLYING mag. Peter Garrison talks about mdeling his homebuilt using X-plane. He says that the flight model comes very close to the results that he got from 'real' aerodynamic modeling programs (LOFTSMAN, CMARC).
MIke
Guest
Posts: n/a
Genghis
What do you mean you can't land the plane ? .. You're crashing into the runway ? .... or you're just not 'greasing' it on everytime ... or ever ?
I've never used FS95, FS98 was the oldest version I had.
I've been TRYING to spin in MS FS2000, x-plane.
Could be something with your joystick / setup
Mike
What do you mean you can't land the plane ? .. You're crashing into the runway ? .... or you're just not 'greasing' it on everytime ... or ever ?
I've never used FS95, FS98 was the oldest version I had.
I've been TRYING to spin in MS FS2000, x-plane.
Could be something with your joystick / setup
Mike
Guest
Posts: n/a
Lined up on a runway I'm fine, but I miss most of the cues (like the ability to look over my shoulder) when setting up an approach or flying a circuit.
And the slightest touch of aileron at the stall, or stalling in the turn spins the FS95 models every time - not really realistic - you have to work quite hard to spin a real training aircraft.
G
And the slightest touch of aileron at the stall, or stalling in the turn spins the FS95 models every time - not really realistic - you have to work quite hard to spin a real training aircraft.
G
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: West London
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Flight Sims to help with IMC/IR Training
Hello Comrades
Can any of you wonderfull doods suggest a good flight simulator that could help and assist in training for an IMC or IR training.
I'm sure peeps could save quite a bit in preparation work in front of a PC and get to grips with procedures etc.
Am I right or wrong ?. Maybe it can have a negative effect. I doubt it, but you never know.
Please suggest and comment.
The Booster
Can any of you wonderfull doods suggest a good flight simulator that could help and assist in training for an IMC or IR training.
I'm sure peeps could save quite a bit in preparation work in front of a PC and get to grips with procedures etc.
Am I right or wrong ?. Maybe it can have a negative effect. I doubt it, but you never know.
Please suggest and comment.
The Booster
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Don't use it for handling practice, but FS2000 pro is fairly accurate and handy to have a go at the procedures, hold entry, routes etc. Fly it all off the autopilot if you can.
There's another one called Elite which is better but far more expensive.
There's another one called Elite which is better but far more expensive.
Join Date: May 2001
Location: London
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RB,
Check out www.transair.co.uk
They have some decent, "serious" simulators/packages for IR etc... I believe they also sell 'Elite' which Mr.Wallup mentioned. As already stated, some of the more professional S/W is a tad pricey (To be expected I suppose), but may well be worth the investment. Can't offer any more advice on the matter because I have never used such S/W, and am far from IR !!! Only going by what I've read and seen advertised.....
NB.
Check out www.transair.co.uk
They have some decent, "serious" simulators/packages for IR etc... I believe they also sell 'Elite' which Mr.Wallup mentioned. As already stated, some of the more professional S/W is a tad pricey (To be expected I suppose), but may well be worth the investment. Can't offer any more advice on the matter because I have never used such S/W, and am far from IR !!! Only going by what I've read and seen advertised.....
NB.
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: London
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Its no substitute for the real thing, but I recommend RANT 2000. Its used by a lot of the training schools and helped me no end with getting my IMC, especially if used to practice exercises just before flying.
Its not supposed to simulate real flying, but it allows you to concentrate on getting to grips with interpreting the instruments.
Details available at http://www.oddsoft.co.uk/news.html or at the shop mentioned above.
Its not supposed to simulate real flying, but it allows you to concentrate on getting to grips with interpreting the instruments.
Details available at http://www.oddsoft.co.uk/news.html or at the shop mentioned above.
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Jeppesen FlitePro is pretty good, just renewed my IMC with a little help from this software. You can also buy additional charts (SIMCharts) that cover Europe, Eastern US... This enables you to load the Jeppesen chart and fly the procedure which has a playback feature showing how close to the chart you were.
Worth the investment to help interpret the instruments and check you are flying procedure as published.
Worth the investment to help interpret the instruments and check you are flying procedure as published.
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Suffolk UK
Posts: 4,927
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'll probably get some serious ribbing for this from those who know me, but I do actually use FS2000 to check out IFR procedures at unfamiliar airports before I go there. Terrain avoidance (using GPWS), VOR and NDB procedures (yes, we do occasionally do them in a 747!), and ILSs are quite well presented as long as you use some of the better add-on software available.
And I get to crash the plane at M1.8 at the end of my little training session, which they won't let me do in the 747 sim
And I get to crash the plane at M1.8 at the end of my little training session, which they won't let me do in the 747 sim
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: England
Posts: 510
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Rooster,
In my opinion both Flitepro and RANT 2000 are good IR training tools. They are sort of complementary. I use both and I am convinced they saved me money in getting the IR.
I've been waiting 18 months for Jepp to update the database in Flitepro but they seem to have abandoned any further development or update. RANT is not only up to date, but you can update the navaids yourself if you wish.
The strengths of Flitepro are that you fly it with a Joystick which you can eventually get to acceptible sensitivity, but like a Frasca (Sim) its harder to fly than the real thing. I find that doing a complete flight with Flitepro helps get all the checks in the right places. The downside of Flitepro is that you have very little choice of instrument presentation.
The strengths of RANT are that you don't fly it like an aircraft but it flies perfectly. In other words, to turn onto a heading, you set the heading bug, then click on left or right turn, and it does a perfect rate-1 turn for you onto the bugged heading. This enables you to see how the proceedures should be flown and experiment with different intercept angles for example. RANT 2000 used to have a good website (probably still does) with a free download sample programme. Rant also exhibits ADF Dip and although its not very realistic its better than anything else for this dastardly difficult part of the IR. You can change the instruments and panels to anything you want in RANT.
In short, both are good and well worth the money. I would have hated to do the IR without them, and I use them both for regular practice.
They can each be bought for less than 1-hour on a Frasca. I'm still paying back the credit card companies for the IR, but I bought the software outright.
In my opinion both Flitepro and RANT 2000 are good IR training tools. They are sort of complementary. I use both and I am convinced they saved me money in getting the IR.
I've been waiting 18 months for Jepp to update the database in Flitepro but they seem to have abandoned any further development or update. RANT is not only up to date, but you can update the navaids yourself if you wish.
The strengths of Flitepro are that you fly it with a Joystick which you can eventually get to acceptible sensitivity, but like a Frasca (Sim) its harder to fly than the real thing. I find that doing a complete flight with Flitepro helps get all the checks in the right places. The downside of Flitepro is that you have very little choice of instrument presentation.
The strengths of RANT are that you don't fly it like an aircraft but it flies perfectly. In other words, to turn onto a heading, you set the heading bug, then click on left or right turn, and it does a perfect rate-1 turn for you onto the bugged heading. This enables you to see how the proceedures should be flown and experiment with different intercept angles for example. RANT 2000 used to have a good website (probably still does) with a free download sample programme. Rant also exhibits ADF Dip and although its not very realistic its better than anything else for this dastardly difficult part of the IR. You can change the instruments and panels to anything you want in RANT.
In short, both are good and well worth the money. I would have hated to do the IR without them, and I use them both for regular practice.
They can each be bought for less than 1-hour on a Frasca. I'm still paying back the credit card companies for the IR, but I bought the software outright.
Join Date: May 2001
Location: England
Posts: 1,904
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Great one scroggs! now you can take each turn at the best speed, without going on a little XC like you do in real life! ha, no one can fly the Dover 4G like me and I aint even flown a jet
not related to this topic, but check this out:
Mad Spanish pilot
[ 05 September 2001: Message edited by: Superpilot ]
not related to this topic, but check this out:
Mad Spanish pilot
[ 05 September 2001: Message edited by: Superpilot ]
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: No longer on Pprune
Posts: 381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Funny, as I've been asking the same question of late in another forum.
The Elite is by all accounts the dogs nuts, and is claimed to save you more on the twin than it costs. It's realy pricey too at something around the 500 pounds mark.
Personaly, I already have FS2000, so to me it's free. I'd never done much more than the basics, but of late have.
I've downloaded a Duchess as that's what I'll be using. Biggest fault is the power leavers manifold goes up to 50 inches, clearly from a turbo a/c. But ignoring that, the speeds are OK.
I've programed in a load of starting points around BMH (so I can quickly get to what I'm after practicing). The best feature to use is the MAP View, that does also show (usualy embarasingly) ones route, but unfortunately not verticaly.
It is a lot harder to fly than the real thing, is very programable in terms of weather (clouds, best to have 8/8, base just above DH, and the wind's great to play with), and I have found it a real help to get into the procedures and getting the scan together. The fact that it's harder than for real is a bonus.
The other thng that I need is a decent yoke. Any tips?
There you have it, my 2d's worth.
PS
The Elite is by all accounts the dogs nuts, and is claimed to save you more on the twin than it costs. It's realy pricey too at something around the 500 pounds mark.
Personaly, I already have FS2000, so to me it's free. I'd never done much more than the basics, but of late have.
I've downloaded a Duchess as that's what I'll be using. Biggest fault is the power leavers manifold goes up to 50 inches, clearly from a turbo a/c. But ignoring that, the speeds are OK.
I've programed in a load of starting points around BMH (so I can quickly get to what I'm after practicing). The best feature to use is the MAP View, that does also show (usualy embarasingly) ones route, but unfortunately not verticaly.
It is a lot harder to fly than the real thing, is very programable in terms of weather (clouds, best to have 8/8, base just above DH, and the wind's great to play with), and I have found it a real help to get into the procedures and getting the scan together. The fact that it's harder than for real is a bonus.
The other thng that I need is a decent yoke. Any tips?
There you have it, my 2d's worth.
PS
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 317
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Polar,
The yoke I use is the CH Products one at around £100 which is fine but if you want something with a more realistic metallic (rather than plastic) feel then check out PFC and AETI yokes which start around £400. Try www.rcsimulations.com for info and prices Bob Sedgwick is very helpful.
Also check www.avsim.com and www.flightsim.com for free scenery and aircraft add-on's. If flying in the UK I strongly recommend the Barry Perfect GB Airports series and the Gary Summons UK2000 airports series.
I also fly for BAVirtual on VATSIM - the Simulated AIr Traffic Control network staffed by real and wannabee air traffic controllers and flying correct procedures - then it really is as real as it gets!
Desk-pilot
The yoke I use is the CH Products one at around £100 which is fine but if you want something with a more realistic metallic (rather than plastic) feel then check out PFC and AETI yokes which start around £400. Try www.rcsimulations.com for info and prices Bob Sedgwick is very helpful.
Also check www.avsim.com and www.flightsim.com for free scenery and aircraft add-on's. If flying in the UK I strongly recommend the Barry Perfect GB Airports series and the Gary Summons UK2000 airports series.
I also fly for BAVirtual on VATSIM - the Simulated AIr Traffic Control network staffed by real and wannabee air traffic controllers and flying correct procedures - then it really is as real as it gets!
Desk-pilot
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: No longer on Pprune
Posts: 381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Desk-Pilot,
Thanks for the info. Tell me, I notice the following:
Note: Flight Simulator 98 does not currently support Propeller and Mixture analog levers
Does this also apply to FS2K and can you get all the leavers to work correctly?
Thanks
PS
Thanks for the info. Tell me, I notice the following:
Note: Flight Simulator 98 does not currently support Propeller and Mixture analog levers
Does this also apply to FS2K and can you get all the leavers to work correctly?
Thanks
PS
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Wirral penninsula
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Polar-stereo, u can d/load a niffty program from flightsim.com called [ cfgedit ] it enables u to make your own panel/ alter it to any config u desire. So changing the mp gauge is a piece off p---.Im no wizard but got it and set up a seneca panel exactly as per some photos sent to me from a friend in prep for doing an IR its brill,get it. 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: No longer on Pprune
Posts: 381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I had a long conversation with a gentleman from www.rcsimulations.com, and it seems that for what I want(which is an aid to the scan/IR procedures), the best thing is x-plane. I'll post my thought on it once it arrives and I've used it in anger.
Bon weekend
PS
Bon weekend
PS
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Andover, Hampshire, UK
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
X-Plane is pretty good. The scenery is a bit lacking unless you download upgrades. The flight physics hold well until you try a loop, during which the game actually locked while flying the glider. For the detailed panels the instrumentation is brilliant; you can see small changes in readings much better than in FS2K
As for X-Plane, wait for version 6 as that'll be around fairly soon. As for FS2k wait for the 2002 release coming out soon as it offers much over the current version; i.e. doesn't run like a dog on ANY PC you load it on, thats if CFS2 really does use the engine to be used by FS2002.
Hope this helps. Sims are great for instrument practice/learning, heard that many times.
SS
As for X-Plane, wait for version 6 as that'll be around fairly soon. As for FS2k wait for the 2002 release coming out soon as it offers much over the current version; i.e. doesn't run like a dog on ANY PC you load it on, thats if CFS2 really does use the engine to be used by FS2002.
Hope this helps. Sims are great for instrument practice/learning, heard that many times.
SS
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Euroland
Posts: 278
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Computer Flight Simulations for Training
Hello!
I've just starting studying for a FAA IR course (can't afford JAA- I know it can't be used here!). Other than time spent during the PPL training on instruments, I've never flown IFR and don't know a great deal about it beyond what I've read. It's my aim to complete all the exams before embarking on the actual flight time and during the study I hope to be able to practise maneavours in a sim.
Any general advise could be welcomed including exp with Flight Sims.
Regards
I've just starting studying for a FAA IR course (can't afford JAA- I know it can't be used here!). Other than time spent during the PPL training on instruments, I've never flown IFR and don't know a great deal about it beyond what I've read. It's my aim to complete all the exams before embarking on the actual flight time and during the study I hope to be able to practise maneavours in a sim.
Any general advise could be welcomed including exp with Flight Sims.
Regards