Putting all your hours into one place
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Putting all your hours into one place
Hi all,
I'm currently in training for my CPL/IR MCC with an FTO via the integrated route. By the time I have completed my course, I will have 200+ hrs TT, 150 from the training course and the rest from a PPL. The hours from my PPL are logged in one logbook while all the hours I get here on this course are being logged in another.
I assume the course logbooks are sent to the CAA and those are the ones that gain us our CPL's. My question is, is there anything wrong with, after getting my CPL issued, with then starting an entirely new logbook with the first entry starting at my very first flight for my PPL training and then ending with my last flight for my CPL training and would this logbook be acceptable to approach prospective employers with?
The reason I ask is that there are a couple of airlines who require a minimum of 200+ hrs TT to be considered for the type rating and should I seek work other then airline flying then I certainly don't want my hours prior to this course to count for nothing.
Many thanks and I look forward to your replies
(Note: My PPL will have expired by now along with my SEP rating)
I'm currently in training for my CPL/IR MCC with an FTO via the integrated route. By the time I have completed my course, I will have 200+ hrs TT, 150 from the training course and the rest from a PPL. The hours from my PPL are logged in one logbook while all the hours I get here on this course are being logged in another.
I assume the course logbooks are sent to the CAA and those are the ones that gain us our CPL's. My question is, is there anything wrong with, after getting my CPL issued, with then starting an entirely new logbook with the first entry starting at my very first flight for my PPL training and then ending with my last flight for my CPL training and would this logbook be acceptable to approach prospective employers with?
The reason I ask is that there are a couple of airlines who require a minimum of 200+ hrs TT to be considered for the type rating and should I seek work other then airline flying then I certainly don't want my hours prior to this course to count for nothing.
Many thanks and I look forward to your replies
(Note: My PPL will have expired by now along with my SEP rating)
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Might work opening a completely new logbook with the first entry being:
"Previous loogbook(s)" ...
This is what I do with every new logbook I have to open.
I have an envelope glued to the inside of the cover in which I have:
- license
- medical
- copies of the last page or whatever is the page of the previous logbook
- copies of my endorsements which are not shown in a license (such as the complex and high-performance endorsements)
Just make sure you can always prove your previous experience.
"Previous loogbook(s)" ...
This is what I do with every new logbook I have to open.
I have an envelope glued to the inside of the cover in which I have:
- license
- medical
- copies of the last page or whatever is the page of the previous logbook
- copies of my endorsements which are not shown in a license (such as the complex and high-performance endorsements)
Just make sure you can always prove your previous experience.
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I would suggest you go electronic and use your paper log books until you get your license issued. In the mean time load up all your flights into the electronic log book.
Then once you have CPL/IR issued only use the electronic and back up with the Paper if you so wish.
There is nothing stopping you running as many log books as you like. So you can have your third with everything in it and then put into storage the other two after license issue.
Then once you have CPL/IR issued only use the electronic and back up with the Paper if you so wish.
There is nothing stopping you running as many log books as you like. So you can have your third with everything in it and then put into storage the other two after license issue.
The only time I've ever found any benefit in maintaining separate logbooks was when I was working for the MoD and doing a lot of military flying - they required a separate logbook. But even then all my military flying also went into my single personal logbook.
In my opinion your best bet is just have the whole lot in a single commercial logbook, AND have an electronic logbook. There are numerous commercial packages you can use, or write your own (I run mine in Excel). Or just run an electronic logbook - CAA are perfectly happy to be sent certified printouts for all and any purposes these days - they've not seen my handwritten logbook for my last 3 or 4 licence changes.
All flying experience is valid.
In my opinion your best bet is just have the whole lot in a single commercial logbook, AND have an electronic logbook. There are numerous commercial packages you can use, or write your own (I run mine in Excel). Or just run an electronic logbook - CAA are perfectly happy to be sent certified printouts for all and any purposes these days - they've not seen my handwritten logbook for my last 3 or 4 licence changes.
All flying experience is valid.
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Thanks for the advice everyone, it's been of much help. Would you recommend a particular brand of electronic logbook? Ive had a look around and most seem to be geared to commercial flying which would be good later on in my career but at the moment we are having to log all sorts of different kind of hours like SPIC and PICUS which don't seem to be options in some of these electronic logbooks?
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those types of hours are only really relevant to you course.
Most people at some point turn them into Dual which is what the airlines consider them as.
If you run your paper logbook with them in and run your electronic with them as dual, this will let you not have to reconfigure everything later. And remember that sim time counts for nothing apart from for training purposes.
Most people at some point turn them into Dual which is what the airlines consider them as.
If you run your paper logbook with them in and run your electronic with them as dual, this will let you not have to reconfigure everything later. And remember that sim time counts for nothing apart from for training purposes.
And again, in something like Excel, it becomes very easy to just move them around in that way.
(One of the things I've written mine to do, for example, is add hours up differently for EASA/CAA and for FAA, as they have different definitions of some things.)
Pete - if you want to PM me an email address, I can email you a disidentified version of mine that I did for somebody else a while ago. I'm sure it won't exactly suit your needs: I wrote it for me, but it would be easy enough to hack around until it does.
(One of the things I've written mine to do, for example, is add hours up differently for EASA/CAA and for FAA, as they have different definitions of some things.)
Pete - if you want to PM me an email address, I can email you a disidentified version of mine that I did for somebody else a while ago. I'm sure it won't exactly suit your needs: I wrote it for me, but it would be easy enough to hack around until it does.
