Schools in Ireland?
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Hi everyone!!
I have decided that I am going to do my SA CPL Mult IR here in sa cause its ALOT cheaper and the weather is a lot better so I will finish a lot quicker. Then I may return to europe and convert or I may stay here havent decided. Thanks everyone for all the helpful info.
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I have decided that I am going to do my SA CPL Mult IR here in sa cause its ALOT cheaper and the weather is a lot better so I will finish a lot quicker. Then I may return to europe and convert or I may stay here havent decided. Thanks everyone for all the helpful info.
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JAA CPL done in Ireland
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I was wondering if there is anyone out there who has done UK JAA ppl and ATPL exams and has gone over to Ireland to do CPL course. I have read as much as I can on the search engine, but I can not find the answer if it can be done. I know Atlantic and Bristol have affilated flying schools there and I am waiting for answers from them. The reason I am asking is that I live in Northern Ireland and it will make more sense to travel from here. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Flying Paddy
I was wondering if there is anyone out there who has done UK JAA ppl and ATPL exams and has gone over to Ireland to do CPL course. I have read as much as I can on the search engine, but I can not find the answer if it can be done. I know Atlantic and Bristol have affilated flying schools there and I am waiting for answers from them. The reason I am asking is that I live in Northern Ireland and it will make more sense to travel from here. Any advice would be appreciated.
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You might find www.flyinginireland.com helpfull. It's a good site for anyone who's interested in aviation in Ireland. From what I heard PTC are very friendly and the aircraft are of good quality I don't know much more than that.
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Hello flying paddy
Are there any schools in Northern Ireland you could train with?
I have a CAA PPL and am currently studying for my IAA ATPL exams. Before starting the IAA ATPL course I was told by the school that I could complete my commercial training in any JAR state. I should have cjecked this out myself so it's my own fault. But as it stands at the moment if you start your training, your ATPL, in one JAR country you must complete your training in that country.
Both the CAA and IAA will tell you that if thter's a prior agreement between the two states then you can change your state for training. This would mean writing to both organisations explaining why you want to change. If they agree you can do your commercial course in Ireland.
From my experience it's a huge headache to switch states. What I plan on doing is completing my commercial in Ireland and possibly doing my multi and IR in the UK. As far as I know the multi and IR are merely ratings added to your commercial so these can be done in any JAR state.
I hope I've been of some help
Are there any schools in Northern Ireland you could train with?
I have a CAA PPL and am currently studying for my IAA ATPL exams. Before starting the IAA ATPL course I was told by the school that I could complete my commercial training in any JAR state. I should have cjecked this out myself so it's my own fault. But as it stands at the moment if you start your training, your ATPL, in one JAR country you must complete your training in that country.
Both the CAA and IAA will tell you that if thter's a prior agreement between the two states then you can change your state for training. This would mean writing to both organisations explaining why you want to change. If they agree you can do your commercial course in Ireland.
From my experience it's a huge headache to switch states. What I plan on doing is completing my commercial in Ireland and possibly doing my multi and IR in the UK. As far as I know the multi and IR are merely ratings added to your commercial so these can be done in any JAR state.
I hope I've been of some help
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From experience in sending students doing JAA CPL and IR conversion from the USA, we give PTC in Waterford 
top marks.
Talk to Darragh, he will answer all your questions. I think there is a agreement between the IAA and CAA for mutual recognition of the theory exams between the countries. But I am not a expert on Irish Aviation, so ask Darragh.
top marks. Talk to Darragh, he will answer all your questions. I think there is a agreement between the IAA and CAA for mutual recognition of the theory exams between the countries. But I am not a expert on Irish Aviation, so ask Darragh.
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Hi
According to the IAA and CAA there is no such agreement for automatic acceptance of ATPL exams. You will need to apply to each authority, decisions are made on a case by case basis.
They will want to know why you started commercial training in the UK if you want to complete your training in Ireland.
Also, if you complete your commercial in ireland you will be issued with an IAA license.
PTC in Waterford are very helpfil and I've only heard good reports from their students, but you do need to check this out yourself, no school can do this for you.
According to the IAA and CAA there is no such agreement for automatic acceptance of ATPL exams. You will need to apply to each authority, decisions are made on a case by case basis.
They will want to know why you started commercial training in the UK if you want to complete your training in Ireland.
Also, if you complete your commercial in ireland you will be issued with an IAA license.
PTC in Waterford are very helpfil and I've only heard good reports from their students, but you do need to check this out yourself, no school can do this for you.
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The UK CAA is one of the more helpful JAA states, they will accept certain things, however exams is one thing they don't accept as they don't use the JAA question base, they use their own questions.
I'm hoping to transfer my german class 1 medical to the UK so as I can start my training here in the UK.
I'm hoping to transfer my german class 1 medical to the UK so as I can start my training here in the UK.
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So let me get this straight. If you start your Atp's in England and then do your CPL in Ireland it may not be accepted. Or am I just getting the wrong end of the stick. The reason why I ask this is cause I will be moving back to Ireland shortly to work and do my ATP's by correspondance through Bristol. Once Ive saved up some cash I want to do my CPL, Multi IR and instructors through PTC. I thought the IAA was all JAA approved or am I wrong. All horribly confusing!!!!!!
Has anyone heard anything about National Flight Centre in Dublin or Atlantic in Cork??
Thanks BL
So let me get this straight. If you start your Atp's in England and then do your CPL in Ireland it may not be accepted. Or am I just getting the wrong end of the stick. The reason why I ask this is cause I will be moving back to Ireland shortly to work and do my ATP's by correspondance through Bristol. Once Ive saved up some cash I want to do my CPL, Multi IR and instructors through PTC. I thought the IAA was all JAA approved or am I wrong. All horribly confusing!!!!!!
Has anyone heard anything about National Flight Centre in Dublin or Atlantic in Cork??
Thanks BL
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birdlady,
no your right in that the IAA is fully JAA approved, its just that being JAA approved doesn't mean that it will be accepted in all JAA states. The IAA may not accept the CAAs ATPL exams, you will have to check with them. The CAA will generally accept most JAA stuff, except exams.
no your right in that the IAA is fully JAA approved, its just that being JAA approved doesn't mean that it will be accepted in all JAA states. The IAA may not accept the CAAs ATPL exams, you will have to check with them. The CAA will generally accept most JAA stuff, except exams.
Let's see if we can get this clear.
The first step you take towards a professional licence determines the 'State of Licence Issue' (SLI). Thus, if you take the theoretical knowledge examinations, for example, in the UK, the UK becomes your SLI. All other requirements for the licence must be completed in that State and the licence will be issued by the National Authority of that State.
Should you wish to change your SLI to, say, Eire, you will need to satisfy the Authorities in both States (CAA and IAA) that you have a bona fide reason for doing so. If both States agree, then Eire becomes your SLI and your JAA licence will be issued by the IAA. All requirements already met (TK exams, medical, etc.) should be accepted by the new SLI, although this is not always the case. For example, most States will require you to pass their own Class 1 medical.
No matter which State issues the licence, it should be accepted by all other Member States of the JAA. This is fine in theory but certain States do everything in their power to avoid this responsibility in an attempt to protect their own training industry.
Once you have the licence issued, training for any further ratings (MEP, IR, etc.) may take place in any Member State and the SLI should accept the training without formality and add the rating to your licence - but see previous paragraph.
Of course, this may all change when EASA assumes responsibility for Flight Crew Licensing in a couple of years time. Nobody, least of all EASA itself, yet knows what is going to happen then.
The first step you take towards a professional licence determines the 'State of Licence Issue' (SLI). Thus, if you take the theoretical knowledge examinations, for example, in the UK, the UK becomes your SLI. All other requirements for the licence must be completed in that State and the licence will be issued by the National Authority of that State.
Should you wish to change your SLI to, say, Eire, you will need to satisfy the Authorities in both States (CAA and IAA) that you have a bona fide reason for doing so. If both States agree, then Eire becomes your SLI and your JAA licence will be issued by the IAA. All requirements already met (TK exams, medical, etc.) should be accepted by the new SLI, although this is not always the case. For example, most States will require you to pass their own Class 1 medical.
No matter which State issues the licence, it should be accepted by all other Member States of the JAA. This is fine in theory but certain States do everything in their power to avoid this responsibility in an attempt to protect their own training industry.
Once you have the licence issued, training for any further ratings (MEP, IR, etc.) may take place in any Member State and the SLI should accept the training without formality and add the rating to your licence - but see previous paragraph.
Of course, this may all change when EASA assumes responsibility for Flight Crew Licensing in a couple of years time. Nobody, least of all EASA itself, yet knows what is going to happen then.
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Well said BillieBob
birdlady, if you register directly with Bristol you will be signing up to study for your ATPLs with a CAA approved school. If you want to train for the CPL in Ireland you will have to go through all this hastle of getting the IAA and CAA to accept a transfer of state of license issue.
BUT, if you sign up to Bristol through Pan Aviation, panaviation.ie, you will be signing up with an IAA approved school and will be studying the Bristol course but sitting the IAA ATPL exams in Dublin. It's exactly the same course, the only difference is that your two week brush up course is in Dublin and your exams are in Dublin. It's also more expensive but what isn't in this place.
birdlady, if you register directly with Bristol you will be signing up to study for your ATPLs with a CAA approved school. If you want to train for the CPL in Ireland you will have to go through all this hastle of getting the IAA and CAA to accept a transfer of state of license issue.
BUT, if you sign up to Bristol through Pan Aviation, panaviation.ie, you will be signing up with an IAA approved school and will be studying the Bristol course but sitting the IAA ATPL exams in Dublin. It's exactly the same course, the only difference is that your two week brush up course is in Dublin and your exams are in Dublin. It's also more expensive but what isn't in this place.
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Candler,
This was for my PPL a few years ago, but only waited a bit more than a week for examiner to contact me. After that it was down to the weather.............
Not sure what the time delay is now, but can't imagine it's much different.
This was for my PPL a few years ago, but only waited a bit more than a week for examiner to contact me. After that it was down to the weather.............
Not sure what the time delay is now, but can't imagine it's much different.
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In the UK, I would say three days to a week for the CPL (you are allowed to call directly an examiner), while at least a week for the IR (this time, all the exam bookings pass through the CAA).
I had to wait three days for the CPL (August), then a week for the IR, that has been cancelled twice, and both rebookings were a week later (September).
The UK CAA is bloody expensive but I have to admit pretty efficient.
regards
I had to wait three days for the CPL (August), then a week for the IR, that has been cancelled twice, and both rebookings were a week later (September).
The UK CAA is bloody expensive but I have to admit pretty efficient.
regards
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Flight school in Ireland ???
Hello everybody,
I'm looking for a flight school in Ireland, not too far from Dublin with IFR aircraft in order to keep training
. Can anyone advise?
Many thanks
cheers
I'm looking for a flight school in Ireland, not too far from Dublin with IFR aircraft in order to keep training
. Can anyone advise?Many thanks
cheers