School with 1500hrs flight???
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I need to know if there any flight school(s) with professional program have 1500 flight hours at the graduate??
And if there which is the best?
I read some topics didn't recommend that type of program
, from you side why is that??THANK you
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@ aboshams:
I've never heard of such a school nor such a program! Most people don't have the money to pay for 1500 hrs, that's far to expensive! But considering your location (KSA) your circumstances might be different. Usually, at the end of a commercial flight training program you have around 200 - 250 hr and hold a CPL/IR and in Europe the ATP theory credit, which is known as "forzen ATPL". But this is only a Europe (JAA/EASA) specific thing, in non-JAA countries (e.g. USA) there is no such thing like a "frozen ATP". Generally one needs a minimum of 1500hr to meet the requirements for an ATP license.
In this regard I'd also recommend to check-out the following link:
Pilot licensing and certification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What you're talking about is known as "line training" (prerequisite CPL/IR and type-rating) which basically means you pay a lot of money to built some time as a co-pilot on an A320 or B737. If you want to know more abut this issue I recommend you read the following link:
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...et-500hrs.html
I need to know if there any flight school(s) with professional program have 1500 flight hours at the graduate??
In this regard I'd also recommend to check-out the following link:
Pilot licensing and certification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I read some topics didn't recommend that type of program
, from you side why is that??
, from you side why is that??
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...et-500hrs.html
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You've gotten yourself a bit confused there.
You will only ever "graduate" with around 200-250 hours. The idea then is that you get a job, build multi-crew experience and then pass a final skills test to get your ATPL after you have at least 1500 hours.
Unfortunately, the way the industry has gone exploits this fact, and people are offered some pretty shocking terms and conditions to get to their magic 1500 hours.
You will only ever "graduate" with around 200-250 hours. The idea then is that you get a job, build multi-crew experience and then pass a final skills test to get your ATPL after you have at least 1500 hours.
Unfortunately, the way the industry has gone exploits this fact, and people are offered some pretty shocking terms and conditions to get to their magic 1500 hours.
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1500hrs
He's not referring to a type rating + line training type of course.
Some US schools offer a 1500 hr program. You train with them to get CPL, IR and instructor ratings then instruct with them for a year or two. They're a bit of a pyramid scheme because the school needs many more new students than 1500 hour 'students' so the 1500 hour guys can get the time. Remember, they're getting the time via instructing, and not all of their student's flying course(s) is dual.
There can be a quite a bit of competition to have enough students to accumulate the 1500 hours. Think about it: 1500 hours - 250 hours from own training (of which a good proportion is solo/PIC) = 1200 hours to gain. If done entirely with fresh 1500 hr students that would mean a minimum of 6 new students *plus* extras to make up for the solo portion of the course.
Some US schools offer a 1500 hr program. You train with them to get CPL, IR and instructor ratings then instruct with them for a year or two. They're a bit of a pyramid scheme because the school needs many more new students than 1500 hour 'students' so the 1500 hour guys can get the time. Remember, they're getting the time via instructing, and not all of their student's flying course(s) is dual.
There can be a quite a bit of competition to have enough students to accumulate the 1500 hours. Think about it: 1500 hours - 250 hours from own training (of which a good proportion is solo/PIC) = 1200 hours to gain. If done entirely with fresh 1500 hr students that would mean a minimum of 6 new students *plus* extras to make up for the solo portion of the course.
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1500 hrs
Hi guys...
Thank you all for your respond..
My vision is to join the airline career as fast as possible, and the airlines company need 1500 hrs to join them!!
What magicmick write about it is exactly what I looking for.
European Flight Training » Airline Pilot Programme ? Internship
and for Tinstaafl Do you mean that type of school is not accept from airline companies???
So, now could you please put the links right here??
Thanks
Thank you all for your respond..
My vision is to join the airline career as fast as possible, and the airlines company need 1500 hrs to join them!!
What magicmick write about it is exactly what I looking for.
European Flight Training » Airline Pilot Programme ? Internship
and for Tinstaafl Do you mean that type of school is not accept from airline companies???
So, now could you please put the links right here??
Thanks
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Well, usually the airlines don't care much about at which flight school you've received your training at, as long as you are a qualified pilot with a clean record (no accidents). And on the other hand having 1500 hr and the ATP under your belt, won't grantee you an airline job. I've the impression that you are a bit confused about that "must have 1500 hr" and ATP in order to get into an airline. Basically all you need to get hired as an FO (co-pilot) is a CPL+IR, that's it!
Regarding your initial question, building time as a CFI (certified flight instructor) in the US, that's part of the advertisement of most of the international flight schools in the US.
These schools promise a lot to get your money, but there are several factors which one must consider. First off, do you really get a job as an instructor after finishing training, because in the end it's the decision of the flight school. This mainly depends on how you conducted yourself during training, was there always a positive balance on your student account, were you a nice student or did you complain a lot, were there any incidents/accidents (that's pretty much the worst that could happen, especially an accident, could mark an early end to one's career).
Another factor which must be taken into account is, how much time will be left on your visa once you finished the training and will it be possible to reach the 1500 hrs required for the ATP in the time remaining. Common problem in this regard, as an instructor on visa, is to meet the 500 hr cross country time requirement for the ATP.
Another important question, how will the student supply be, if you wont have enough students it's pretty much impossible to reach the 1500 hr in the time remaining on the visa. From my own experience, I've been working as an instructor for a big international flight school in the US myself, I can tell you that usually it doesn't work to reach the ATP requirements, mainly due to the 500 hr cross-country time, which you don't get that much as CFI.
This "come to our flight school" do your training with us and work as an instructor afterwards and built valuable flight time which will get you into an airline cockpit sooner, it's only a bait to keep the money coming into the pocket of the school's owner.
Regarding your initial question, building time as a CFI (certified flight instructor) in the US, that's part of the advertisement of most of the international flight schools in the US.
These schools promise a lot to get your money, but there are several factors which one must consider. First off, do you really get a job as an instructor after finishing training, because in the end it's the decision of the flight school. This mainly depends on how you conducted yourself during training, was there always a positive balance on your student account, were you a nice student or did you complain a lot, were there any incidents/accidents (that's pretty much the worst that could happen, especially an accident, could mark an early end to one's career).
Another factor which must be taken into account is, how much time will be left on your visa once you finished the training and will it be possible to reach the 1500 hrs required for the ATP in the time remaining. Common problem in this regard, as an instructor on visa, is to meet the 500 hr cross country time requirement for the ATP.
Another important question, how will the student supply be, if you wont have enough students it's pretty much impossible to reach the 1500 hr in the time remaining on the visa. From my own experience, I've been working as an instructor for a big international flight school in the US myself, I can tell you that usually it doesn't work to reach the ATP requirements, mainly due to the 500 hr cross-country time, which you don't get that much as CFI.
This "come to our flight school" do your training with us and work as an instructor afterwards and built valuable flight time which will get you into an airline cockpit sooner, it's only a bait to keep the money coming into the pocket of the school's owner.
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Glad that the link was of some use to you, I have no personal experience of the course and I do not know anyone who has.
The advice offered by T2000 is excellent and you would do well to take note, problems during training will mean that the school will not let you instruct their students and visa time limits and lack of students could stop you before 1500hrs. All good things to talk to the training school about and if you can find someone that has studied at the school to speak to then that would be excellent.
Good luck with your search and I sincerely hope that you find what you are looking for.
The advice offered by T2000 is excellent and you would do well to take note, problems during training will mean that the school will not let you instruct their students and visa time limits and lack of students could stop you before 1500hrs. All good things to talk to the training school about and if you can find someone that has studied at the school to speak to then that would be excellent.
Good luck with your search and I sincerely hope that you find what you are looking for.
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Tinstaafl, a pyramid scheme would be assuming that all the students enrolled were going to be doing the 1500hr program.
A lot simply can't afford it.
Another thing you should look at aboshams, is that that just because you have 1500hrs, doesn't mean an airline is going to hire you.
Picture an airline that has one slot available and two candidates.
One is yourself, a person who has paid for a course where you come out with 1500hrs in a flight training school environment.
Or two, a person who also has 1500hrs but has been flying a mix of small single piston pounders doing small air transport stuff, before eventually moving into a two crew job flying Cessna caravans or beech king airs.
If you are willing to shell out that sort of money to go into a 1500hr course, you would be better off paying for a type rating on a common GA aircraft and go door knocking until you find somewhere to take you on.
Better yet, use the money to travel the world and find a job in a developing country where they will pay for your licence conversion and associated ratings.
Option 3, pay for an instructors rating and find another smaller, but busy, flight school. You will get your hours much faster there than the larger ones where you are fighting over students.
A lot simply can't afford it.
Another thing you should look at aboshams, is that that just because you have 1500hrs, doesn't mean an airline is going to hire you.
Picture an airline that has one slot available and two candidates.
One is yourself, a person who has paid for a course where you come out with 1500hrs in a flight training school environment.
Or two, a person who also has 1500hrs but has been flying a mix of small single piston pounders doing small air transport stuff, before eventually moving into a two crew job flying Cessna caravans or beech king airs.
If you are willing to shell out that sort of money to go into a 1500hr course, you would be better off paying for a type rating on a common GA aircraft and go door knocking until you find somewhere to take you on.
Better yet, use the money to travel the world and find a job in a developing country where they will pay for your licence conversion and associated ratings.
Option 3, pay for an instructors rating and find another smaller, but busy, flight school. You will get your hours much faster there than the larger ones where you are fighting over students.
I'm aware of what a pyramid scheme is. In the sense that this type of course requires more students (some of whom will also be 1500 hour guys) for each 1500 guy, and then exponentially more students for the next tranche is much like a pyramid scheme - hence why I wrote they're a bit of a pyramid scheme. I suppose I could have written '...a bit like a....' but I didn't think my meaning would be misunderstood.
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Having just read the link you provided it's hardly a pyramid scheme they have over half the page dedicated to the standard required to stay and instruct under the title :
Why do we review performance?
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Thank you all..
I'm planning to visit that type of school first than i will choose one of them..
What time will take to get that amount of hour if i choose other option with 200-250 hrs??
I'm planning to visit that type of school first than i will choose one of them..
What time will take to get that amount of hour if i choose other option with 200-250 hrs??
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Aboshams,
I note that you are in the KSA, their GACA system is based on the FAA system, if you do not have the legal right to live and work in Europe it is of no value to complete an EASA CPL/ATPL.
EFT shares those facilities with The Aviator college, and you can do the same course there based on the FAA system at a lower cost. Most of the instructors left there after 2 years with in excess of 1800 hours of which almost all was multi engine time. This is a good start to any career in aviation!!
Good luck.
I note that you are in the KSA, their GACA system is based on the FAA system, if you do not have the legal right to live and work in Europe it is of no value to complete an EASA CPL/ATPL.
EFT shares those facilities with The Aviator college, and you can do the same course there based on the FAA system at a lower cost. Most of the instructors left there after 2 years with in excess of 1800 hours of which almost all was multi engine time. This is a good start to any career in aviation!!
Good luck.
