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Do you taxi the plane to the runway, perform the runup and pretakeoff checklist and control check, perform the takeoff and then, after you have trimmed up in level flight let the student control the plane?
wow...pretty lame
Yes I do and..
...NO not lame all
This is EX 1 Therefore he needs it trimmed I demonstrate and then he has a go then practices
Also he follows through as required and I teach the checks etc
The OP & Richead Head need to calm down ! Reporting the CFI tosh !!!!
OP felt disrespected Why ?
There, I feel better now after that rant
Do you taxi the plane to the runway, perform the runup and pretakeoff checklist and control check, perform the takeoff and then, after you have trimmed up in level flight let the student control the plane?
wow...pretty lame
Yes I do and..
...NO not lame all
This is EX 1 Therefore he needs it trimmed I demonstrate and then he has a go then practices
Also he follows through as required and I teach the checks etc
The OP & Richead Head need to calm down ! Reporting the CFI tosh !!!!
OP felt disrespected Why ?
There, I feel better now after that rant
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no, my name isn't richard head...that's a joke
I've learned something...I really have...and I had read somthing similiar to this concept just a few weeks ago.
human beings are getting dumber due to high technology.
dear ORIGINAL POSTER...do yourself a favor...got to a different flying school/FBO and get a lesson with a different instructor.
some people can't learn to fly at all...and perhaps the instructors who don't push a little bit are just fattening their wallets.
a good instructor will push a bit...and then see if you can handle things, if you ''catch on'' quickly or need extra help.
while the technique described by my opposites here might be good for someone with certain learning needs, it is a waste of time with other students.
again...spend a few bucks, go to a different flying school at least 20 miles away and take a lesson...ask to take a lesson with a very experienced instructor or the chief instructor.
I've seen all sorts of instructors in my 37 years in aviation. I remember one gal who went out with a student and couldn't get a normal flight control check (free and correct). They taxied back, she wrote up the flight controls. I went out and checked the plane and...yes , she had the autopilot/wingleveler turned on and nothing was wrong with the plane.
The same instructor would not fly a tomahawk at the ''book'' approach speed...she felt it was too slow...can you imagine her surprise when she ran off the end of the runway?
so...don't be a BOZO or a wimp...if you have had ground school on fundamentals...you should be ahead of the game.
Change instructors at your earliest convenience. And your ''slick'' instructor has spent more time looking ''slick'' than talking and being with new students.
human beings are getting dumber due to high technology.
dear ORIGINAL POSTER...do yourself a favor...got to a different flying school/FBO and get a lesson with a different instructor.
some people can't learn to fly at all...and perhaps the instructors who don't push a little bit are just fattening their wallets.
a good instructor will push a bit...and then see if you can handle things, if you ''catch on'' quickly or need extra help.
while the technique described by my opposites here might be good for someone with certain learning needs, it is a waste of time with other students.
again...spend a few bucks, go to a different flying school at least 20 miles away and take a lesson...ask to take a lesson with a very experienced instructor or the chief instructor.
I've seen all sorts of instructors in my 37 years in aviation. I remember one gal who went out with a student and couldn't get a normal flight control check (free and correct). They taxied back, she wrote up the flight controls. I went out and checked the plane and...yes , she had the autopilot/wingleveler turned on and nothing was wrong with the plane.
The same instructor would not fly a tomahawk at the ''book'' approach speed...she felt it was too slow...can you imagine her surprise when she ran off the end of the runway?
so...don't be a BOZO or a wimp...if you have had ground school on fundamentals...you should be ahead of the game.
Change instructors at your earliest convenience. And your ''slick'' instructor has spent more time looking ''slick'' than talking and being with new students.
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Dear Original Poster
you have read violently opposing views...it is time for YOU to make a choice...but remember, YOU FELT that your instructor wasn't too hot.
a pilot has to make choices...some have belittled you on this forum about being disrespected...I have not...I think you should consider how YOU want to learn.
good luck, happy landings
a pilot has to make choices...some have belittled you on this forum about being disrespected...I have not...I think you should consider how YOU want to learn.
good luck, happy landings
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while the technique described by my opposites here might be good for someone with certain learning needs, it is a waste of time with other students
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The only thing here that would give me any cause for concern would be that your instructor didn't do/ demo to you a full pre=flight check before your exercise. Other than that you said yourself it was your first flight, were you really expecting to be taught how to t/o, climb, turn, descend and land an aircraft before you've even covered the effects of controls?
Questions I'd be asking you would be, did you receive a pre-flight brief covering the content of the exercise to be flown? Did you then go and fly what was intended? Did you receive a debrief afterwards covering any salient points?
The first flight that we teach at the FTO/ATO (EASA ergh) in europe where I work is simply the effects of controls. The overall aim of the exercise is to be able to set an attitude hold it and trim (accurately). Spending time learning this incredibly important skill on the first exercise is much much much more important than you getting to take off / land on your first flight.
Relax, keep studying and let your instructor teach you. If in doubt about anything ask your instructor first. Im sure he/she has a good reason for doing things the way they do. If after a while you are not progressing and not happy then see your chief instructor and request a change.
Questions I'd be asking you would be, did you receive a pre-flight brief covering the content of the exercise to be flown? Did you then go and fly what was intended? Did you receive a debrief afterwards covering any salient points?
The first flight that we teach at the FTO/ATO (EASA ergh) in europe where I work is simply the effects of controls. The overall aim of the exercise is to be able to set an attitude hold it and trim (accurately). Spending time learning this incredibly important skill on the first exercise is much much much more important than you getting to take off / land on your first flight.
Relax, keep studying and let your instructor teach you. If in doubt about anything ask your instructor first. Im sure he/she has a good reason for doing things the way they do. If after a while you are not progressing and not happy then see your chief instructor and request a change.
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the very first lesson the student did everything...taxied, tookoff, climbed, straight and level, turns, descent and landing.
Under the JAA/EASA AOPA suggested syllabus climbing and descending is the 3/4th flight, landing would be around 10 flights in.
Each step leading up to the landing so that when the landing is complete it should be an easy process as the fundamentals are in place.
Maybe often used at FAA schools but it shouldn't be at a good school.
As stated earlier, NO commercially available FAA PPL syllabus has you starting with doing everything.
Same as JAA/EASA, it doesn't come up till flight 4 or 5.
This 'do everything from the beginning' is BS.
As stated earlier, NO commercially available FAA PPL syllabus has you starting with doing everything.
Same as JAA/EASA, it doesn't come up till flight 4 or 5.
This 'do everything from the beginning' is BS.
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Good school bad school... good FI bad FI ,what about bad student? or a too good student ? same topic over and over again... and we only see one side of the toasted bread!
This ain't going nowhere!
I am not a CFI , I had an Old hog as an instructor, which I really liked, but I thought I did not progress after a while. So i changed, (no problem!) I got a slick dude younger than me( i was his first student!) that pushed me so hard that i usually fell asleep exhausted in my car in the parking lot after a 2 hour flight!
some of my fellows liked him, other's did not... you just need to work it out, but to go and report him won't solve anything, grab your balls and go speak with him! that's what airmanship is about!
I can't remember my first flight though... but my first lesson, I was like 11 years old feeling great because I got to sit upfront ( had to sit in the back in the volvo) in the old man's 1946. 65hp Cub. My dad teached me to trim, and hold the same indicated airspeed, do turns( no pedals for me though! too short!) while the only thing i could see was the Old sunburnt "Texaco" Sticker on the leaking fuel tank.... he didn't let me land the cub though
......... not that time!
Rick
This ain't going nowhere!
I am not a CFI , I had an Old hog as an instructor, which I really liked, but I thought I did not progress after a while. So i changed, (no problem!) I got a slick dude younger than me( i was his first student!) that pushed me so hard that i usually fell asleep exhausted in my car in the parking lot after a 2 hour flight!
some of my fellows liked him, other's did not... you just need to work it out, but to go and report him won't solve anything, grab your balls and go speak with him! that's what airmanship is about!
I can't remember my first flight though... but my first lesson, I was like 11 years old feeling great because I got to sit upfront ( had to sit in the back in the volvo) in the old man's 1946. 65hp Cub. My dad teached me to trim, and hold the same indicated airspeed, do turns( no pedals for me though! too short!) while the only thing i could see was the Old sunburnt "Texaco" Sticker on the leaking fuel tank.... he didn't let me land the cub though
......... not that time!Rick
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This thread makes me laugh. People taking sides with great outrage over a one sided view of a first lesson. Without being there, we don't know what the instructor really covered, what kind of communication or attempted communication took place, or really any details of this schools initial lesson plan.
My only thought, as a former flight instructor and student, is that sometimes people just don't "click", and it is perfectly reasonable to try different instructors to find one that works best with your personality and learning style.
If you are hoping for a career, eventually you have to learn to get along with others, but at this stage a solid base of fundamental learning is the first priority.
My only thought, as a former flight instructor and student, is that sometimes people just don't "click", and it is perfectly reasonable to try different instructors to find one that works best with your personality and learning style.
If you are hoping for a career, eventually you have to learn to get along with others, but at this stage a solid base of fundamental learning is the first priority.
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Not a CFI or better, here, just a lowly FAA PPL.
But: seems to me you are all missing the point. The objectives and plans for the lesson should have been reviewed with the student on the ground before walking out to the aircraft.
Doesn't matter if the "academy" is using the building block approach of today, or the laid back "I'll let you do a bunch and be here to keep check" approach we all learned under a while back.
Student has a right to understand the plan and expectations. Doesn't matter if he's 16 or 66. If he's being charged instruction rates, and that's all he did, then he has a legitimate gripe.
Too often in our US system, flight instruction is given by an hour-builder with no skill or training as a teacher.
But: seems to me you are all missing the point. The objectives and plans for the lesson should have been reviewed with the student on the ground before walking out to the aircraft.
Doesn't matter if the "academy" is using the building block approach of today, or the laid back "I'll let you do a bunch and be here to keep check" approach we all learned under a while back.
Student has a right to understand the plan and expectations. Doesn't matter if he's 16 or 66. If he's being charged instruction rates, and that's all he did, then he has a legitimate gripe.
Too often in our US system, flight instruction is given by an hour-builder with no skill or training as a teacher.
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Its a flaw in the european system as well.
In fact it will proberly get worse in the US now with the 1500 hour requirement.
What grates me is that people who have never wanted to insturct have no interest in instructing and no natural flare for it end up instructing and dragging the whole intial training system down.
In fact it will proberly get worse in the US now with the 1500 hour requirement.
What grates me is that people who have never wanted to insturct have no interest in instructing and no natural flare for it end up instructing and dragging the whole intial training system down.
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PARSON,
Welcome to the aviation world.
You have now learned that aviation includes many types of individuals and ways of thinking
What i can recommend you is to check your lesson syllabus and discuss with your instructor the task before getting to the aircraft.(basically who does what and when).
That said,i know you are a young 16 year old but this thread is a good window to what is waiting for you in the commercial world,so you need to grow a pair.The earlier the better.
Talk to your CFI,if he aint getting it,fire him!
No one likes back stabbers even when right.
Enjoy the flying,its all youll get to enjoy before the next 20-25 years when you may start making a decent living...
Welcome to the aviation world.
You have now learned that aviation includes many types of individuals and ways of thinking
What i can recommend you is to check your lesson syllabus and discuss with your instructor the task before getting to the aircraft.(basically who does what and when).
That said,i know you are a young 16 year old but this thread is a good window to what is waiting for you in the commercial world,so you need to grow a pair.The earlier the better.
Talk to your CFI,if he aint getting it,fire him!
No one likes back stabbers even when right.
Enjoy the flying,its all youll get to enjoy before the next 20-25 years when you may start making a decent living...
