FTE or OAA
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Taxistaxing, I can assure you that I am 100% convinced that an airline career is for me having contacted those in the industry, watched pilots, as they worked in mid-flight with me sat in the cockpit etc etc but do not have to go into more details, as to how this conclusion was reached !
In your previous post you stated that are considering signing up to an integrated/zero-to-hero course of flight training without having had any acutal flight experience or knowledge (I note you have now edited the post to remove that reference!). That is akin to watching an episode of Ally McBeal and saying you want to become a lawyer. Believe it or not I know people who have done exactly this, and lived to regret it.
The point of my response was to suggest that you may wish to get some experience of actually flying an aircraft before taking that course of action.
but do not have to go into all the details, as to how this conclusion was reached
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Once you have your licence in hand, what are you expecting to do next?
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Taxistaxing and Purple Pitot: Please accept my apology for missing your points and for not realising that you are already airline pilots
Well I'm training (hour building nearly done, doing ATPLs) so I guess I'm "an airline pilot in waiting"
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When tagged cadets are getting 6 months of pay by the hour, then thrown on the scrapheap, i'd call that more than a pitfall. When TCX are about to add 70 odd experienced, rated pilots, to the list already out there. Netjets europe about to add about 150 experienced captains. Ask yourself how much more you will have to spend once you have your cpl/ir in hand to stand out.
Been here 20 years, and around the planet a couple of times. If your research is better than mine, then good luck to you.
Been here 20 years, and around the planet a couple of times. If your research is better than mine, then good luck to you.
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The point taxistaxing is making is very valid, previous flying experience (a couple of hours) would be invaluable to you before committing to such an expense, and in fact i know FTE at least recommend it.
As for the original question i visited FTE's selection in June this year, and was very taken in by it all, I came back to the UK with no doubt in my mind that was where I wanted to train. Until the contract arrived, and I hit reality with a very heavy bump! The contract was very open ended and would have left me very vulnerable to price rises at any point during the training. With such large sums involved I decided a modular route would be far better for me, and as things are progressing at the moment I'm looking at having my CPL/IR in my hands far sooner than had I gone to FTE. I appreciate not everyone is in the same position, and different people have different needs, but perhaps food for thought?
As for the original question i visited FTE's selection in June this year, and was very taken in by it all, I came back to the UK with no doubt in my mind that was where I wanted to train. Until the contract arrived, and I hit reality with a very heavy bump! The contract was very open ended and would have left me very vulnerable to price rises at any point during the training. With such large sums involved I decided a modular route would be far better for me, and as things are progressing at the moment I'm looking at having my CPL/IR in my hands far sooner than had I gone to FTE. I appreciate not everyone is in the same position, and different people have different needs, but perhaps food for thought?
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I met a FTE staff member the other day at an event, and we were talking about how the recent FPP cadets there were progressing. This drew my attention to one particular difference between the courses offered by CAEOAA and FTE.
That is: that the students in Jerez undertake a shorter period of groundschool initially, before their elementary flying training becomes "integrated" into their timetable. The impression I got was that they do it week about of flying and groudschool lessons, until they have passed the required ground exams.
At Oxford, the groundschool phase is exclusively that. It is only on completion of all 14 exams that students progress to a cockpit and fly out to Pheonix. Study and flying are kept distinct (supplementary study and revision for the flying phase notwithstanding).
I am not sure of the pros and cons of either approach. I dare say that is up to the individual. I would also I add that this is what I gathered from the conversation, and I can't guarantee I have understood the gentleman exactly right. But this is the sort of thing one would discover doing one's due diligence and research anyway.
That is: that the students in Jerez undertake a shorter period of groundschool initially, before their elementary flying training becomes "integrated" into their timetable. The impression I got was that they do it week about of flying and groudschool lessons, until they have passed the required ground exams.
At Oxford, the groundschool phase is exclusively that. It is only on completion of all 14 exams that students progress to a cockpit and fly out to Pheonix. Study and flying are kept distinct (supplementary study and revision for the flying phase notwithstanding).
I am not sure of the pros and cons of either approach. I dare say that is up to the individual. I would also I add that this is what I gathered from the conversation, and I can't guarantee I have understood the gentleman exactly right. But this is the sort of thing one would discover doing one's due diligence and research anyway.
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Romeo Kilo, when "Integrated" courses were created the whole idea was to integrate the groundschool subjects with the flight training so that something taught in the classroom could be demonstrated in the air soon afterwards.
Gradually over time the Integrated providers began to move away from this style as is was more efficient (hence cheaper) to separate out groundschool from flight training (particulary if your groundschool is in Oxford and your flight training is in Arizona!).
FTE are the only UK FTO that still do some form of the original Integrated idea.
Gradually over time the Integrated providers began to move away from this style as is was more efficient (hence cheaper) to separate out groundschool from flight training (particulary if your groundschool is in Oxford and your flight training is in Arizona!).
FTE are the only UK FTO that still do some form of the original Integrated idea.
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The way FTE were running things during my visit there was, an initial 5 months of ground school, followed by a set of exams (essentially the 1st module of a modular course). Upon passing these exams you would progress to flying; alternating between 3 days flying/2 days ground school and 3 days ground school/2 days flying (I was told by students that occasionally they fly during weekends if they need the time to catch up on anything).
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