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I recently revalidated my multi IR with a combination of Mike Boulton ( Simulator Training Services) and ETA. I can only speak as I found and would have no hesitation in using them again. My original contact had been Chris Gould whose opinion I had sought with regard to revalidation. I had no intention of going back to SFT even if it had still been in business! On the subject of SFT in its new guise I can only say be VERY CAREFUL. I can't help feel there is something ethically and morally wrong, even if it is legal!) that an individual is able to set up in business again so quickly with so many people left hurt after his last foray.
Good luck to all the decent people out there.
Good luck to all the decent people out there.
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It's great isn't it that the former students of SFT that lost thousands of pounds have been sold short by the administrators also!!! I mean how can you justify selling the aircraft so cheaply to someone who is working with Colin Green to set up another flying school!!!!!
I personally never expect to get any money back from the former SFT business or Mr Colin Green, but it does annoy me to see that he can so easily set up another FTO without the CAA batting an eyelid. Usually the CAA are the wonders of the rules and regs when it comes to licencing and flying matters, but obviously when it comes to flight schools, they really are not that bothered!!!
What i say to other wannabes out there is that if you are serious about becoming a Proffessional Pilot, then choose your flight school very carefully. Make sure that you know the history of the company and the history of the people that are running it. Lets not see another screw up of the SFT kind. It hurt me badly and I would not like to see anyone else in the same situation.
Hello to Flying Farmer and PilotTom!!!! Long time no speak. Hope that the job hunting is going well. I am working as an Aircraft Dispatcher at the moment, which is great fun!!! It's not flying, but at least I get to see the inside of an aircraft on a daily basis (best I can hope for at the moment!!)
Good luck to you both, hope that you get jobs soon!!
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burnt fingers really do burn
Basically then if any wannabees are looking for a FTO then BEWARE. Relying on past history and recommendation usually best option but even then I've been a paid up member of three failed "reputable" established clubs in two years...
As long as we all keep flying we'll stay smiling
As long as we all keep flying we'll stay smiling
MM
of course the CAA won't "batter an eyelid"
Another FTO means more wannabes, more licences, more licence fees, more exam fees and nicer cars for CAA bosses.
You forget this world revolves around money, not what is morally right or wrong.
of course the CAA won't "batter an eyelid"
Another FTO means more wannabes, more licences, more licence fees, more exam fees and nicer cars for CAA bosses.
You forget this world revolves around money, not what is morally right or wrong.
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Spitfire,
I suppose you are right....
Just really Pi***s me off to see this happen, when there is nothing we can do about it. It is like they are laughing in our faces!!!!
Still suppose I should put all my effort into getting a job now, and paying back Barclays they money that I borrowed but never saw!
MM
I suppose you are right....
Just really Pi***s me off to see this happen, when there is nothing we can do about it. It is like they are laughing in our faces!!!!
Still suppose I should put all my effort into getting a job now, and paying back Barclays they money that I borrowed but never saw!
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notice you are quite correct in saying there are no facts but then again this is a rumour network and I think you maybe supprised where these rumours originate but short of seeing an advert in the aviation press this is probably as good as it's going to get.
I try to avoid being too scathing of 'SFT' as it may reflect on the instructors and I think that many agree that they were second to none. It seems wrong to tar them with the same brush as CG's.
I am very supprised that CG hasn't been more carefull in keeping his name out of this new venture surely it would be the proverbial 'kiss of death'.
What ever happens I scincerely hope they offer a water tight solution to protect the students money or a pay as you go option. In addition future students must take steps to safe guard their own money and find ways of payment to do so.
I also hope this thread or ones similar stay high up in the wannabe league table as many students have had to learn lessons the hard way and new ones should heed them.
in case anyone asks, I am not an 'insider' and I certainly do not intend to come across as a CG sympathyiser
I try to avoid being too scathing of 'SFT' as it may reflect on the instructors and I think that many agree that they were second to none. It seems wrong to tar them with the same brush as CG's.
I am very supprised that CG hasn't been more carefull in keeping his name out of this new venture surely it would be the proverbial 'kiss of death'.
What ever happens I scincerely hope they offer a water tight solution to protect the students money or a pay as you go option. In addition future students must take steps to safe guard their own money and find ways of payment to do so.
I also hope this thread or ones similar stay high up in the wannabe league table as many students have had to learn lessons the hard way and new ones should heed them.
in case anyone asks, I am not an 'insider' and I certainly do not intend to come across as a CG sympathyiser
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Having just spent a few days down in a very sunny bournmouth i must admit to be very impresssed with the location and the ftos based down there. However hard i tried i could not find this new organistaion on the airfield, could this possibly be somebodys imagination working overtime or does this new fto without a name exist. can anyone shed any light on this please??
Also as i said i was impressed with theother fto especially bfc they seemed to be a very friendley and professional outfit even if their cfi seems to have had a charisma bypass(maybe sometime on a customer orientation course might help.)
Whilst been aware of the main issue of this thread surely this new fto cannot function if it is managed by the md of a company which apparentley disappeared owing students a lot of money.that appears to be shear folly to me or am i just been a rather naive potential student
Also as i said i was impressed with theother fto especially bfc they seemed to be a very friendley and professional outfit even if their cfi seems to have had a charisma bypass(maybe sometime on a customer orientation course might help.)
Whilst been aware of the main issue of this thread surely this new fto cannot function if it is managed by the md of a company which apparentley disappeared owing students a lot of money.that appears to be shear folly to me or am i just been a rather naive potential student
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This new fto is located in the hangar containing an aircraft interiors fitting company, and a swish Mig-21. Can't miss it. Won't tell you the name tho', cos that'll be advertising...
This new fto is located in the hangar containing an aircraft interiors fitting company, and a swish Mig-21. Can't miss it. Won't tell you the name tho', cos that'll be advertising...
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Rob - Lance is fine once you get to know him, if he does look like a throwback to the 70s. I'm not just saying that 'cos he's my boss, I said it here before BCFT even existed 
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The "new organisation" with which Colin Green is involoved is next to us (we being Bournemouth Commercial Flight Training, owned by BFC and operating from the buildings that housed SFT's flying operations) and is not yet particularily obvious. We make no complaints about the competition, as we are quite able to hold our own.
Glad you found our parent to be friendly - we certainly try to keep that going over in the groundschool side.
.The "new organisation" with which Colin Green is involoved is next to us (we being Bournemouth Commercial Flight Training, owned by BFC and operating from the buildings that housed SFT's flying operations) and is not yet particularily obvious. We make no complaints about the competition, as we are quite able to hold our own.
Glad you found our parent to be friendly - we certainly try to keep that going over in the groundschool side.
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Skysailor,
Why can't you tell us the name of the new fto???? if it was advertising surely all the mentions of other ftos would have to be edited out.
Not been up to date on military aircraft would the mig21 have anything to do with the protection of the boss of the new fto(bearing in mind his alleged previous endeavours).
send clowns many thanks for your thread i will be making a decision in the near future about where i do the training and bcfc is very high on my list.
Why can't you tell us the name of the new fto???? if it was advertising surely all the mentions of other ftos would have to be edited out.
Not been up to date on military aircraft would the mig21 have anything to do with the protection of the boss of the new fto(bearing in mind his alleged previous endeavours).
send clowns many thanks for your thread i will be making a decision in the near future about where i do the training and bcfc is very high on my list.
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The CFI's at bfc are well known for being twits.
why do you think only 2 of there employee's will follow em into the bar after work!!
Would you be taught by a CFI who you can never get at the flying club past 4 O'clock cos he's in the bar, and appearently never drives home becuase he's always drunken to much!, I dont think so. Or alternatively the other one drinks to much and then drives home.
There is a new school on the airfield called ETA, they sound pretty up with it and poffesional, give them a call.
why do you think only 2 of there employee's will follow em into the bar after work!!
Would you be taught by a CFI who you can never get at the flying club past 4 O'clock cos he's in the bar, and appearently never drives home becuase he's always drunken to much!, I dont think so. Or alternatively the other one drinks to much and then drives home.
There is a new school on the airfield called ETA, they sound pretty up with it and poffesional, give them a call.
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Vaga.....
There is nothing wrong with lance, he's lovely, well I think!, although he can appear at first instance a bit odd and I do agree with send clowns, that he needs a bit of customer service training, other than that, he's a good egg, and a great laugh to be around.
miles.. no comment.
Vaga, and miles the "other" one you speak of isn't a CFI, he's just an FI, that has a share in BFC+BCFT.
i love BFC to bits, all of the FI's there, have always been really helpful, and always manage to squeeze my lesson in when needed.
wot the fock does vaga mean anyway? you one of colin greens crew?
Send clowns, we will have to meet up for lunch, seeing as I am working not to far from you now, say a day and i'll come over to see you.
There is nothing wrong with lance, he's lovely, well I think!, although he can appear at first instance a bit odd and I do agree with send clowns, that he needs a bit of customer service training, other than that, he's a good egg, and a great laugh to be around.
miles.. no comment.
Vaga, and miles the "other" one you speak of isn't a CFI, he's just an FI, that has a share in BFC+BCFT.
i love BFC to bits, all of the FI's there, have always been really helpful, and always manage to squeeze my lesson in when needed.
wot the fock does vaga mean anyway? you one of colin greens crew?
Send clowns, we will have to meet up for lunch, seeing as I am working not to far from you now, say a day and i'll come over to see you.
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Vaga ETA is far from new, it's been going since well before I was in EGHH. Yes they are an extremely professional organisation, who specialize in flight instructor training. I know two of their pilots, one very well (he is an old family friend who even attended my passing-out ball at Dartmouth) and their owner is an old friend of those of us who were in SFT, so popped over recently to say hi. Alternatively BCFT can offer training in all levels of flight instuctor ratings.
The rivalry between us is very amicable, and genuinely so, partly because we really specialise in different areas. If you want to train in Bournemouth (we have a well-equipped international airport with real 747s and great weather), come down and visit both, and Professional while you're here, even CG/Cabair's operation if you like (can point you at the hangar, though I can't remember the company name written on it). You will find your own preference, and this is best when you make this considerable investment.
Libelous allegations aside (if you knew about the FTOs in Bournemouth I might suggest you worked for ETA, Vaga
!), the instructors at BFC have achieved excellent pass rates with non-sponsored students. That is one major factor in choosing a school, as first-time pass in IR can be very important in finding a job. We have several instructors, of varying character, two of whom helped to train me for my CPL and are excellent, very professional and very easy to like and get on with in the air. One of these used to train military pilots, so cannot be slack.
The rivalry between us is very amicable, and genuinely so, partly because we really specialise in different areas. If you want to train in Bournemouth (we have a well-equipped international airport with real 747s
and great weather), come down and visit both, and Professional while you're here, even CG/Cabair's operation if you like (can point you at the hangar, though I can't remember the company name written on it). You will find your own preference, and this is best when you make this considerable investment.Libelous allegations aside (if you knew about the FTOs in Bournemouth I might suggest you worked for ETA, Vaga
!), the instructors at BFC have achieved excellent pass rates with non-sponsored students. That is one major factor in choosing a school, as first-time pass in IR can be very important in finding a job. We have several instructors, of varying character, two of whom helped to train me for my CPL and are excellent, very professional and very easy to like and get on with in the air. One of these used to train military pilots, so cannot be slack.
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Dear All,
looks like i may have opened up a can of worms.
I did not realise the cfi @bfc liked a drink or two still i am sure he is not the first and certainly not the last to have such indulgenges within the biz.
However afterhours activities does not help my quest in determining where i am going to spend my money. Does anyone know anything about the new organisation
i am aware of ETA and to be honest they seem to represent the quality end of the market with so much experience of the people involved is second to none at bournemouth
If this new connection is just a satellite of cabair then enough said, my money will not be going in that direction.
looks like i may have opened up a can of worms.
I did not realise the cfi @bfc liked a drink or two still i am sure he is not the first and certainly not the last to have such indulgenges within the biz.
However afterhours activities does not help my quest in determining where i am going to spend my money. Does anyone know anything about the new organisation
i am aware of ETA and to be honest they seem to represent the quality end of the market with so much experience of the people involved is second to none at bournemouth
If this new connection is just a satellite of cabair then enough said, my money will not be going in that direction.
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All I really know about the new organisation is three of the staff and the aircraft they use. The one flying instructor I know that is working for Colin taught me on my IR, and he was very good.