BA suspends all CEP, DEP recruitment.
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BA suspends all CEP, DEP recruitment.
Reliable sources suggest that BA has, for the time being, suspended all CEP/DEP pilot recruitment. This affects new applications and people who are currently in the process of applying. This will remain in force for at least several months.
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The web site is still advertising vacancies?
But then when are company web sites accurate?
US airlines are planning for falls in demand of 30-50% during the next six months, Chris Avery, aviation analyst at JP Morgan told the Financial Times.
And grounding airplanes, rather than flying empty seats around the world, may be one of the ways which airlines can try and save costs.
But then when are company web sites accurate?
US airlines are planning for falls in demand of 30-50% during the next six months, Chris Avery, aviation analyst at JP Morgan told the Financial Times.
And grounding airplanes, rather than flying empty seats around the world, may be one of the ways which airlines can try and save costs.
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Just had a call from BA and I have been told that the CEP courses are suspended until further notice.
An absolutely gutted...
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An absolutely gutted...
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I have the aptitude testing coming up in a couple weeks, so I called British Airways today to find the latest and the greatest. The lady informed me that if I had not heard anything/do not hear anything it is still on. Well I have yet to hear anything, however I would not be surprised if I do.
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Ahhh... I wondered when this news might break.. perhaps it would be a good idea to try and put some rumours to bed and spill out some facts.
As you will all know, BA has announced 1800 job cuts. A portion of these will have to be made from the Flight Operations Dept. Along with the tragic occurrences in the United States on Tuesday, recruitment has come under serious review at the highest level.
Some prudent decisions have thus been made to try and pre-empt any further market downturn. It is expected that all airlines will have a rough ride over the next 2-3 years and so the decisions within the company are:
to suspend DEP recruitment to the shorthaul fleets.
to suspend all further CEP courses until next Spring at the earliest. Those who have already commenced training at an FTO are UNAFFECTED, those in the hold pool will remain there until further notice.
to continue looking for a small number of DEP captains for the ATR fleet at LGW.
So there's the news.. hope this helps.
May my thoughts and prayers lie with those affected across the globe by Tuesday's tragedies.
[ 14 September 2001: Message edited by: Ralph Wiggum ]
As you will all know, BA has announced 1800 job cuts. A portion of these will have to be made from the Flight Operations Dept. Along with the tragic occurrences in the United States on Tuesday, recruitment has come under serious review at the highest level.
Some prudent decisions have thus been made to try and pre-empt any further market downturn. It is expected that all airlines will have a rough ride over the next 2-3 years and so the decisions within the company are:
to suspend DEP recruitment to the shorthaul fleets.
to suspend all further CEP courses until next Spring at the earliest. Those who have already commenced training at an FTO are UNAFFECTED, those in the hold pool will remain there until further notice.
to continue looking for a small number of DEP captains for the ATR fleet at LGW.
So there's the news.. hope this helps.
May my thoughts and prayers lie with those affected across the globe by Tuesday's tragedies.
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AMS,
What you describe happened to me during the end of the last 'downturn'. By the time BA were *thinking* of re-starting I was 1 month (yes - 1 month) over the age limit, even though I was only hours away from my CPL/IR at the time. Got a rather heartless - 'you're over the age limit' reply.
They really can be heartless Ba*tards at times
What you describe happened to me during the end of the last 'downturn'. By the time BA were *thinking* of re-starting I was 1 month (yes - 1 month) over the age limit, even though I was only hours away from my CPL/IR at the time. Got a rather heartless - 'you're over the age limit' reply.
They really can be heartless Ba*tards at times
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Well, guys.
It doesnt sound all that great, does it.
I think BA is going to suspend training, it would make sound economic sense to me (I have no business training mind you) but thats my opinion anyway.
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It doesnt sound all that great, does it.
I think BA is going to suspend training, it would make sound economic sense to me (I have no business training mind you) but thats my opinion anyway.
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I have to admit that I am not that surprised that BA have taken this action. We can cope with one airline or a couple that have frozen recruitment however I hope this is not a sign of the way recruitment will stand for the near future with other airlines.
Trans-atlantic markets have been hit hard across the board during recent times and BA obviously don't expect things to get any better due to the sad events on Tuesday. Since the UK-America market is the biggest for BA then any fluctuation in the performance in that area will affect the over all performance of the company.
Hopefully other airlines will not follow BA or those of us coming through the training system will be in for a difficult time.
MG
Trans-atlantic markets have been hit hard across the board during recent times and BA obviously don't expect things to get any better due to the sad events on Tuesday. Since the UK-America market is the biggest for BA then any fluctuation in the performance in that area will affect the over all performance of the company.
Hopefully other airlines will not follow BA or those of us coming through the training system will be in for a difficult time.
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First post, terrible time to be doing so.
Sloany, from reading your recent posts I'm in the same position as you but not had the call yet. Can you shed any further light on what you were told? Are you now in an the holding pool for an indefinite period?
Just from looking at the share price & the analyst reaction so far BA does not look to have too rosey a future.
Sloany, from reading your recent posts I'm in the same position as you but not had the call yet. Can you shed any further light on what you were told? Are you now in an the holding pool for an indefinite period?
Just from looking at the share price & the analyst reaction so far BA does not look to have too rosey a future.
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Slonay,
You don't say what part of the recruitment you were at. From your message it appears that you had a course start date? What else did BA say? Are you in a hold pool maybe? Did they say they'd call you in 6 months?
I've not had a phone call - have apptitudes on Monday (19th) . Hope I don't turn up only to be turned away at the door
If I find anything further out on Monday, I'll let you all know.
You don't say what part of the recruitment you were at. From your message it appears that you had a course start date? What else did BA say? Are you in a hold pool maybe? Did they say they'd call you in 6 months?
I've not had a phone call - have apptitudes on Monday (19th)
. Hope I don't turn up only to be turned away at the door If I find anything further out on Monday, I'll let you all know.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to explain my experiences as a Cadet Entry Pilot in 1991.
Let me begin by stating that I am in no position to explain BA's policy regarding recruitment right now, but what I can do is explain what happened to me and 400 of my colleagues in 1991.
I was attending Oxford Air Training School in 1990-91 when the Gulf War broke. Within weeks of the commencement of 'Desert Strike', all Cadets in training were told that recruitment had stopped. We were (by virtue of a contractual arrangement with O.A.T.S. and similarly at Prestwick) allowed to continue to the completion of our course.
From around February 1991 to when the last courses finished in early 1992, around 400 sponsored pilots left their training schools to the prospect of what BA described as "an indeterminate freeze on all new entry positions within BA".
Many Cadets were, after a few months, offered positions in BA as Cabin Crew and some used their previous qualifications to seek work in other industries. Very very few managed to find positions to exploit their spanking new CPL/IR licences.
Here is the ominous news......
It took BA a few months short of 4 years before they recommenced employing Cadet Entry pilots again. Most had lapsed on their licences and felt somewhat Ab Initio all over again. Thankfully, BA were aware of this and average sector totals before being released on to the line were around 60 flights rather than the previous average of 40. We were still re-learning 6 months on and it was a distinct shock to most shorthaul Captains for most of 1995/96.
My advice to anyone who is ON a course is
Good Luck and if you have any questions, see my E-Mail address in my 'Profile'. (BA cadets only please)
Let me begin by stating that I am in no position to explain BA's policy regarding recruitment right now, but what I can do is explain what happened to me and 400 of my colleagues in 1991.
I was attending Oxford Air Training School in 1990-91 when the Gulf War broke. Within weeks of the commencement of 'Desert Strike', all Cadets in training were told that recruitment had stopped. We were (by virtue of a contractual arrangement with O.A.T.S. and similarly at Prestwick) allowed to continue to the completion of our course.
From around February 1991 to when the last courses finished in early 1992, around 400 sponsored pilots left their training schools to the prospect of what BA described as "an indeterminate freeze on all new entry positions within BA".
Many Cadets were, after a few months, offered positions in BA as Cabin Crew and some used their previous qualifications to seek work in other industries. Very very few managed to find positions to exploit their spanking new CPL/IR licences.
Here is the ominous news......
It took BA a few months short of 4 years before they recommenced employing Cadet Entry pilots again. Most had lapsed on their licences and felt somewhat Ab Initio all over again. Thankfully, BA were aware of this and average sector totals before being released on to the line were around 60 flights rather than the previous average of 40. We were still re-learning 6 months on and it was a distinct shock to most shorthaul Captains for most of 1995/96.
My advice to anyone who is ON a course is
- If BA keep the course going but with no employment offered at the end, do not hesitate to work ANYWHERE in the world to keep your licence going, jobs will be few and far between.
- Do not take it personally. BA have made this decision to ensure there is a business to work for in a few years time.
- If you have other qualifications to fall back on then do not say you have a Pilots Licence on your CV. Say that you have been 'travelling' and apply for work that can provide something commensurate to your degree/A level qualification. Employers will look upon you as someone who will flee to pastures new (ie.A Flying Job) when the industry turns around if you include the letters ATPL in your Curriculum Vitae
- Set up a committee that includes ALL of you, so that you will not feel alienated from BA. There are many pilots here at BA who will keep you in the loop if you ask...
Good Luck and if you have any questions, see my E-Mail address in my 'Profile'. (BA cadets only please)
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Hi everyone,
This is my first post on this message board although I have followed it for over a year now.
I hate to sound pessimistic people but not only has the CEP recruiting program been suspended at BA, current pilots will be lucky to keep their jobs. This is huge! The impact of tuesdays events will be felt for months and years to come.
I was scheduled to start the CEP right away and have been told the course has been suspended until further notice. Knowing what Tuesdays events will do to the aviation industry, I am almost sure the course and the entire CEP program will not resume for many months, maybe years. BA must protect its business and will do so by downsizing in a big way.
Although I am devastated by the realization that my future with BA might be done(I still do have some hope left), my feelings are massively overshadowed by the thousands of deaths that have occured. My heart is with those who have lost loved ones in this tragic and horrific event.
Here's hoping thousands more innocent lives aren't lost in the US retaliation.
aviatter
This is my first post on this message board although I have followed it for over a year now.
I hate to sound pessimistic people but not only has the CEP recruiting program been suspended at BA, current pilots will be lucky to keep their jobs. This is huge! The impact of tuesdays events will be felt for months and years to come.
I was scheduled to start the CEP right away and have been told the course has been suspended until further notice. Knowing what Tuesdays events will do to the aviation industry, I am almost sure the course and the entire CEP program will not resume for many months, maybe years. BA must protect its business and will do so by downsizing in a big way.
Although I am devastated by the realization that my future with BA might be done(I still do have some hope left), my feelings are massively overshadowed by the thousands of deaths that have occured. My heart is with those who have lost loved ones in this tragic and horrific event.
Here's hoping thousands more innocent lives aren't lost in the US retaliation.
aviatter