BA suspends all CEP, DEP recruitment.
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Recruitment can stop very quickly. In 1990 I was within 2 months of leaving the RAF and looking forward to a career with BA having passed all the interviews/sim rides and been offered a provisional position with BA when recruitment stopped dead. I was placed in the holding pool but heard nothing. Fortunately I also had an ATPL(H) and was soon working on the N Sea but recruitment here stopped 12mnths later and didn't restart for about 5yrs so beware the pilot shortage can end overnight.
Best of luck to you all.
Best of luck to you all.
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Re: BA DEP recruitment
Has anybody else handed in their notice with their present employer for a forthcoming (Oct/Nov) confirmed long haul course start date with BA ?
If so have you heard anything or do you know what is going to happen ?
If so please drop me a line at [email protected]
Has anybody else handed in their notice with their present employer for a forthcoming (Oct/Nov) confirmed long haul course start date with BA ?
If so have you heard anything or do you know what is going to happen ?
If so please drop me a line at [email protected]
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I've not posted for a while, but one thought is that as previously said BA are shedding a lot of Jobs currently. If you couple that with the fact that their share price has dropped by nearly 50% since last week, then it is my guess that BA will be cutting all sorts of corners to save money and keep their business going. I think last weeks tragedies, whilst not helping the situation probably wouldn't have lead to such a decission being made so quickly - as no one knows what effects on the world economy and air travel those acts will have caused.
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I know what has happened this week will have a big impact in the short term, but we must all look to the long term future of aviation. BA, no matter what the situation is today or the next day, will need a steady recruitment of new guys & girls just to maintain their current numbers of pilots. This years' trend may be downwards, but I believe that the general trend for aviation recruitment will still be upwards.
On another note, as saddened as I am about Tuesdays events, I think that the general mood in here is far too negative and Nostradamus-like. Sooner or later, people will have to put this tragedy behind them - life goes on.
Condolences to all affected.
On another note, as saddened as I am about Tuesdays events, I think that the general mood in here is far too negative and Nostradamus-like. Sooner or later, people will have to put this tragedy behind them - life goes on.
Condolences to all affected.
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I have just read in the paper that BA are now valued lower than Ryan Air! This is only a temporary situation due to the downturn in Economic conditions and the tragic events in America. They have also said that there is a recruitment freeze, we all know about that which isn't really surprising.
Guys it does not look good - Bump I was due to start in November but fortunately I have not handed any notices in at my work or flat so I can keep plodding on until the news comes through that the courses start again.
Oscar - send me an-email [email protected] to chat.
The worry I currently have which was re-iterated by Magnus Picus, is when the courses does resume what happens at when we get the frozen ATPL? will we go into holding pools for years? Also another worry is we have declared that we are at 'war' with terrorists, only time will tell what this will lead to.....
Good luck to everyone over the next few months and lets hope that things soon improve.
Sloany
Guys it does not look good - Bump I was due to start in November but fortunately I have not handed any notices in at my work or flat so I can keep plodding on until the news comes through that the courses start again.
Oscar - send me an-email [email protected] to chat.
The worry I currently have which was re-iterated by Magnus Picus, is when the courses does resume what happens at when we get the frozen ATPL? will we go into holding pools for years? Also another worry is we have declared that we are at 'war' with terrorists, only time will tell what this will lead to.....
Good luck to everyone over the next few months and lets hope that things soon improve.
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Just had a phone call this afternoon saying that my BA Final Board for Wednesday 19th is now not on........
.......I think they decided to suspend recruitment today as I phoned this morning and was informed that everything was still going ahead (regarding my application process).
Anyone else supposed to have been going to FB this week or next and who has any further info.? (I couldn't ask too many questions on the phone as I work in an open plan office).
.......I think they decided to suspend recruitment today as I phoned this morning and was informed that everything was still going ahead (regarding my application process).
Anyone else supposed to have been going to FB this week or next and who has any further info.? (I couldn't ask too many questions on the phone as I work in an open plan office).
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I spoke to BA late this afternoon, and was told that they had just decided to freeze all recruitment no matter which phase you are at.
So much for my aptitudes
oh well, lets keep our chins up and our dreams alive. We'll get there.
JT8
[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: JT8 ]
So much for my aptitudes
oh well, lets keep our chins up and our dreams alive. We'll get there.
JT8
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Did my aptitudes two weeks ago and got a letter saturday saying send in the pre-medical. So just phoned BA and spoke with a very abrupt woman. Asked about whether my final board was going ahead and she said she couldn't possible tell me as they had all just been told they'd lost their jobs. I think I can work the rest out for myself!
I will still send in the pre-medical but won't hold my breath!
Thing is I applied just before turning 27 so cannot reapply as will be too old, gutted!!
I will still send in the pre-medical but won't hold my breath!
Thing is I applied just before turning 27 so cannot reapply as will be too old, gutted!!
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I believe that anyone that has a simulator or medical booked for the DEP is being told to don their arm bands for some considerable time ! i.e. in the holding pool !
Not sure what will happen to anyone that has started their ground school though or anyone who has been given a confirmed contract.
Let's all just hope that the government helps all UK airlines financially, which may soften the blow a little.
Not sure what will happen to anyone that has started their ground school though or anyone who has been given a confirmed contract.
Let's all just hope that the government helps all UK airlines financially, which may soften the blow a little.
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Well Boys and Girls, it ain't good. I've held back until I could consult my oracle and get the down and dirty. This is what's going on. No speculation and no rumour.
All pilot assessment, DEP and TEP, is cancelled with effect from 19 Sept. The 18th will go ahead but after that....zip.
All TEP courses are cancelled. Those currently going through training will finish their course with the caviat of jobs at the end IF required by BA.
The 2 TEP courses that were due to start very soon are cancelled and those people that were going to be on those courses will be held in the 'TEP Pool'. There will be no-one else joining the pool. ie if you've passed selection but weren't given a course you will not be held in that pool. There may (and that's a HUGE may) be a tiny puddle of people that have passed everything but didn't get offered a course. These could possibly be top of the list when recruitment starts again...but don't hold your breath. Most people will probably be too old by then!
There will be no more offers of employment to DEPs. Those offers which have already been made will be honoured but that, again, will be subject to the requirements of Flt Ops. So if they're grounding the Classics and reducing the flying program then it sounds like there will not be a requirement for those numbers (that last bit was my speculation and not strictly fact). I reckon I'd withdraw my resignation if I was working for one of the IT flyers.
A small DEP pool will be formed from those who have passed everything, but it will be small (as TEP). Looking at about 20 people.
It's absolutely amazing how in just 2 short weeks it has all changed. The DEP stuff was already going to be reduced and the TEP courses lessened, before last Tuesday, but this has really put le chat amongst the pigeons. I'm afraid at BA now the wagons are being cirled and everyone is going to working hard to keep the company going, let alone expanding. I hope for all potential BA pilots this thing is short but I reckon it will be a couple of years at least.
In the lives that go on after the New York disaster, those idiotic madmen have a lot to answer for.
Pontius
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All pilot assessment, DEP and TEP, is cancelled with effect from 19 Sept. The 18th will go ahead but after that....zip.
All TEP courses are cancelled. Those currently going through training will finish their course with the caviat of jobs at the end IF required by BA.
The 2 TEP courses that were due to start very soon are cancelled and those people that were going to be on those courses will be held in the 'TEP Pool'. There will be no-one else joining the pool. ie if you've passed selection but weren't given a course you will not be held in that pool. There may (and that's a HUGE may) be a tiny puddle of people that have passed everything but didn't get offered a course. These could possibly be top of the list when recruitment starts again...but don't hold your breath. Most people will probably be too old by then!
There will be no more offers of employment to DEPs. Those offers which have already been made will be honoured but that, again, will be subject to the requirements of Flt Ops. So if they're grounding the Classics and reducing the flying program then it sounds like there will not be a requirement for those numbers (that last bit was my speculation and not strictly fact). I reckon I'd withdraw my resignation if I was working for one of the IT flyers.
A small DEP pool will be formed from those who have passed everything, but it will be small (as TEP). Looking at about 20 people.
It's absolutely amazing how in just 2 short weeks it has all changed. The DEP stuff was already going to be reduced and the TEP courses lessened, before last Tuesday, but this has really put le chat amongst the pigeons. I'm afraid at BA now the wagons are being cirled and everyone is going to working hard to keep the company going, let alone expanding. I hope for all potential BA pilots this thing is short but I reckon it will be a couple of years at least.
In the lives that go on after the New York disaster, those idiotic madmen have a lot to answer for.
Pontius
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The problem with forecasting the length of time, or the way out of the current crisis within the industry, is that no-one has a measure of something similar in the past to gauge this all against. I do believe the crisis is far more serious than the Gulf war. This will directly impact the transatlantic routes due to the fear of flying, and coupled with a continued economic downturn. BA gets 40% of turnover from these routes, and they account for 140% of its profits.
I do not see how the government will see it has a duty to bail out BA and Virgin. If they do that, then all airlines will queue up for money. The argument from the Gov will be along the lines of market forces, and exposure - if this was true Labour it could have been different. The government did nothing for the manafacturing industry, why will it do it for the airline industry? Even the US is being very cautious on giving any commitment to their airline industry.
We can can all anticipate that between 2-5 years could be the potential for death of recruitment within BA.
I have a feeling that BA will use the episode to completely restructure itself, and this I'm sure will have a continued impact on recruitment.
I do not see how the government will see it has a duty to bail out BA and Virgin. If they do that, then all airlines will queue up for money. The argument from the Gov will be along the lines of market forces, and exposure - if this was true Labour it could have been different. The government did nothing for the manafacturing industry, why will it do it for the airline industry? Even the US is being very cautious on giving any commitment to their airline industry.
We can can all anticipate that between 2-5 years could be the potential for death of recruitment within BA.
I have a feeling that BA will use the episode to completely restructure itself, and this I'm sure will have a continued impact on recruitment.
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With regards to "will the UK govt help out BA?"
Have the airlines asked for government help?
US airline executives are seeking $24bn in assistance, including $5bn in direct aid. President George Bush has been sympathetic to these requests. The US airline industry accounts for about 10% of US gross domestic product, according to United Airlines. BA says it too should receive government help if Washington steps in to bail out its American rivals, and the Swiss and French governments are also considering helping their carriers.
From: Guardian Unlimited, 19th Sept.
More info at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...260575,00.html
Regards,
Hugh
Have the airlines asked for government help?
US airline executives are seeking $24bn in assistance, including $5bn in direct aid. President George Bush has been sympathetic to these requests. The US airline industry accounts for about 10% of US gross domestic product, according to United Airlines. BA says it too should receive government help if Washington steps in to bail out its American rivals, and the Swiss and French governments are also considering helping their carriers.
From: Guardian Unlimited, 19th Sept.
More info at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...260575,00.html
Regards,
Hugh
