Prejudice over Integrated V's Modular ATPL Training?
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Prejudice over Integrated V's Modular ATPL Training?
I am in the process of choosing the right FTO for me based upon the fact that due to personal circumstances I need to train mainly in the UK. Through in-depth research I have whittled down my choice to Cabair and Oxford AA and I am able to be abroad for approximately two months in the way Cabair's European Integrated Course is structured. However, I am unable to do the Oxford AA Integrated course as this requires 5 months abroad in the US.
Someone recently suggested however that I could do the full ATPL OAA modular course back-to-back which only requires 5 weeks abroad in the US and therefore I should not discount OAA as they have one of the best reputations in the industry and with airlines.
I have however heard that there is a prejudice by airlines towards modular courses V's Integrated courses even if I was to get good grades and stick with the same school throughout all modules. Perhaps therefore I should go for the Cabair Integrated course even if I feel OAA is better!?
I please ask for any comments and advice on this matter as I want to give myself the best chances for employment once I am qualified after going through lengthy training at great expense! Thank you
Someone recently suggested however that I could do the full ATPL OAA modular course back-to-back which only requires 5 weeks abroad in the US and therefore I should not discount OAA as they have one of the best reputations in the industry and with airlines.
I have however heard that there is a prejudice by airlines towards modular courses V's Integrated courses even if I was to get good grades and stick with the same school throughout all modules. Perhaps therefore I should go for the Cabair Integrated course even if I feel OAA is better!?
I please ask for any comments and advice on this matter as I want to give myself the best chances for employment once I am qualified after going through lengthy training at great expense! Thank you
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This question get answered roughly twenty times a week (not really). I would recommend you read the top post that explains all of this, if you have a spair £70k lying around then go ahead with OAA, if you don't where do you plan on getting the money in a recession?
"I have however heard that there is a prejudice by airlines towards modular courses V's Integrated courses"
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This is a view 'quietly suggested' by integrated FTOs, I don't think any dare say it in print today. The reality is most airlines don't care where or how you trained, particularly the biggest hirer, Ryanair. As far as I know, the only one who states a preference is BA, who say they only take integrated students. This has to be viewed in perspective, BA have only recruited 30(?) or so ab-initio FOs in the last four years. Oddly, BA did include some modular students from CTC in that number, despite their stated preference.
Some airlines care where you trained, Easyjet, for instance, source their FOs almost entirely from CTC. There are occasional promotions where a company such as Netjets will run a recruitment scheme through an integrated FTO, but they're quite rare and I don't think there are any running at the moment. If you're not aiming at any of these specific companies your chances are the same whether you've done a modular or integrated course. Your pocket will be about £40K lighter if you've done an integrated course - and you'll have to stop work - and you can't control how quickly/slowly you train.
Some airlines care where you trained, Easyjet, for instance, source their FOs almost entirely from CTC. There are occasional promotions where a company such as Netjets will run a recruitment scheme through an integrated FTO, but they're quite rare and I don't think there are any running at the moment. If you're not aiming at any of these specific companies your chances are the same whether you've done a modular or integrated course. Your pocket will be about £40K lighter if you've done an integrated course - and you'll have to stop work - and you can't control how quickly/slowly you train.
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When I was in charge of recruiting I used to write to several integrated graduates a mponthj (sometimes several a week) with a form email saying that I regretted that their course did not prepare them for the type of flying the company was involved with.
An integrated course is designed to produce an airline FO. A modular course produces a pilot, who is able to fly as an airline FO but also in the rest of the rich diversity of aviation.
An integrated course is designed to produce an airline FO. A modular course produces a pilot, who is able to fly as an airline FO but also in the rest of the rich diversity of aviation.
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To save this attracting any further biased comment I am closing it!
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