Money problems half way.. Now what?

[Adios]

I had forgot about PTC. Yep, he could definitely be there.

Transferring from PTC to a UK FTO would be problematic, but not impossible. The CAA might accept the theory exam passes he has even though they would have been overseen by the IAA I think. BBVA are funding UK students at PTC as well.

[Artie Fufkin]

Oh come on MikeeGR, you can't leave us hanging like this, what course are you doing?

[MikeeGR]

Set a few straight

I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions and advice,
but to inform a a few who are losing sight of what this thread is really for,
I am in an intergrated course, one price from PPL, ATPL, CPL/MEP and then IR.
One Price, all fee's and hoursbuilding plus accommodation all included. if that's not intergrated, what is? Only difference is i chose to do ATPL's from home to save a few grand since reading is one thing i dont need guidance to do correctly.

I contacted BBVA and Credit Union, they dont do loans of the sort of amount required. I am not looking to cover the full amount since i have already paid most of it and like Vlieger said, some of us have actually saved some money, my mistake was relying on the idea the pound would carry on being strong for all eternity and choosing to train abroad.

Anyway i think i will be taking the advise of most on here and finish my ATPL's, switch to modular and resume full time work again for some time, and re assess in a few months time.

Also there is nothing wrong with flipping burgers, i had to do it as a teen to support my self and my rent, some people dont have the luxury of shoosing a job nowadays, since there arent any out there, so for those who do, good for you, but dont judge others for earning a hard days salary.


P.S. if another simular post from me pops up, for some reason my first post didnt appear so had to re-write it.

[AlphaMale]

I am in an intergrated course, one price from PPL, ATPL, CPL/MEP and then IR.
One Price, all fee's and hoursbuilding plus accommodation all included. if that's not intergrated, what is?

The only JAR Integrated FTO’s that I am aware of are Oxford Aviation Academy, CTC, Cabair and Flight Training Europe in Jerez.

What you’re doing is an ab-initio course where you carry out PPL > fATPL with one training provider. So you’re a full time one-stop modular student.

Integrated courses tend to cost £90k whereas a £45k Ab-Inito course offered by many schools throughout the UK, Europe and the USA (Needing to convert the FAA IR back in the UK of course) is in essence modular training.

You will not get a PPL if you were an integrated student. As a Modular student having gained a PPL and say ATPL GS if you then run out of money after completing your MEP you can simply take a year out of training to earn enough money to pay for the CPL/IR.

When you do put a pause on your training you’ll simply have a PPL with SEP and MEP privileges and the ATPL GS exams completed that will expire in 36 months.

If however you’re an integrated student you’ll study the ATPL GS then go on to the CPL/ME-IR, If you drop out half way though the CPL/ME-IR then you leave with nothing.

So knowing if you’re an integrated student or a one-stop modular student is quite important here.

[vlieger]

If however you’re an integrated student you’ll study the ATPL GS then go on to the CPL/ME-IR, If you drop out half way though the CPL/ME-IR then you leave with nothing.

Perhaps a bit pedantic, but that's not really true, is it? If for some reason that's what happens, you still get the piece of paper saying that you completed the ATPL exams. As for flying, you keep the hours and the experience. But this is a bit academic as I don't see why you would stop in the middle of doing a CPL or IR. Fair enough if you somehow take a break after the ATPL exams or even the CPL to earn some money and come back to it all a year later but it would be unwise to stop in the middle of the most expensive part of it all.

[AlphaMale]

How would the ATPL GS be valid without a PPL? I was under the impression you needed a PPL and a Class 1 medical in order to get on the ATPL GS?

I'm sure there is nothing stopping a OAA student in dropping out halfway through an integrated course at the point where he/she has 100hrs under their belt and then sitting a PPL test at another modular flying school so long as they have:

25 hours of dual instruction
10 hours or more of solo flying
5 hours or more of solo 'cross country' time

Maybe they can walk away with the ATPL GS credit having never sat in a plane before but I've never heard of it?

For the record MikeeGR is modular so he doesn't have that problem (We worked it out via PM).

All the best with finding the money though, CDL may work but we'll have to see.

[SpreadEagle]

I ran out of money doing an Integrated course in the UK. Talk to them. My school were really good about it. I left for a total of 11 months during my course to earn more money. I returned and finished the course, and you know what? I wasn't the last person on my course to graduate. Some had taken so long to get through the course normally, I over hauled them and still finished ahead of them.

I believe there is a time limit on how long you have to get your IR after ground school, but its something insane like 5 years. I'm sure someone will give you the actual figure.

My log book looks a bit funky with two whopping gaps in training, but in an interview if asked I'll be honest. No one paid for my flying. I wasn't bankroled by a rich daddy. I worked bloody hard, and when the s**t hit the fan, I did whatever it took to finish the course. If you can overcome hurdles like this, it can sometimes work in your favour. This is just life's way of asking you how much you want it.

Good luck

[SpreadEagle]

Oh by the way, you seem very adement that you don't wan't to do your ppl all over again. To my knowledge most integrated FTO's will offer an abridgement if you already have flying hours, saving you this hassel. It won't be the full hours you have, as they always beleive they can train you better than anyone else, but it is an abridgement all the same.

CabAir certainly do abridgements and I'd bet my left walnut Oxford do something similar.