Training for tests!
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I don't know what flying school you are applying to but frankly most of them are simply there for show, to give the impression that their product is only for the very best. In effect it's marketing hype. In that situation you will pass easily unless you are complete twit. What happens then is that you are told you have passed, now sign here and hand over the money.
Now some flying schools do take these tests seriously, but again you have to remember it's for their benefit not yours. They use them to screen out potential failures or people who might take longer to train, because they want to maintain their pass rates. This is important to them in order to maintain their reputation as a 'good' school. Which helps with future students and airlines looking for a training partner. This is particularly true of certain integrated schools with 'First Officer type training courses'.
It's all smoke and mirrors and salesmanship.
So Fabbe, don't worry about the test, you'll probably pass easily. If you don't either try again or find another school. These tests are mostly of no consequence. If you 'fail' it doesn't mean you'll never be a pilot. Don't worry too much about it.
As for airlines, some do as well. I know Aer Lingus even test experienced Captains. It's crazy but there you are.
Just imagine the scene, a tearful Captain being handed a tissue. 'I'm sorry Captain you haven't met the high standard we expect here in Aer Lingus but I'm sure an ex Concorde Captain like you can find work somewhere. Have you tried Ryanair? They'll take anyone.'
Now some flying schools do take these tests seriously, but again you have to remember it's for their benefit not yours. They use them to screen out potential failures or people who might take longer to train, because they want to maintain their pass rates. This is important to them in order to maintain their reputation as a 'good' school. Which helps with future students and airlines looking for a training partner. This is particularly true of certain integrated schools with 'First Officer type training courses'.
It's all smoke and mirrors and salesmanship.
So Fabbe, don't worry about the test, you'll probably pass easily. If you don't either try again or find another school. These tests are mostly of no consequence. If you 'fail' it doesn't mean you'll never be a pilot. Don't worry too much about it.
As for airlines, some do as well. I know Aer Lingus even test experienced Captains. It's crazy but there you are.
Just imagine the scene, a tearful Captain being handed a tissue. 'I'm sorry Captain you haven't met the high standard we expect here in Aer Lingus but I'm sure an ex Concorde Captain like you can find work somewhere. Have you tried Ryanair? They'll take anyone.'
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Okey. Cause that is what I was woried about. That I come to BA for example with my 8000 hours and fail the apptitude test.
For your information I have applied to the Scandinavian Aviation Academys upper secondary school program (gives you education and CPL/NQ/150 hour)
Talked to a student there and he said that more than half of the applicants fail on the psychological test.
Oh well I am 16 years old. Maybe I am not ready yet for the big apptitude tests like the serious schools have.
For your information I have applied to the Scandinavian Aviation Academys upper secondary school program (gives you education and CPL/NQ/150 hour)
Talked to a student there and he said that more than half of the applicants fail on the psychological test.
Oh well I am 16 years old. Maybe I am not ready yet for the big apptitude tests like the serious schools have.
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I did the IPAS test and it was not to good. You can get:
Unsatisfactory Satisfactory Good Excellent
I got two good, one unsatisfactory (math) and the rest satisfactory.
Just checking here now, since these results where no Einstein results should I apply for programs like OAA, CTC Cadett or Ethiad Cadett?
I mean is it worht applying for a AB INITIO program with these results? Does these results mean I will probably fail the apptitude tests?
Because I can still go to this school here in Sweden which gives you CPL for free.
So no arguments here now. I want to go Integrated. And I have the Swedish school as plan B. But if you guys think that this IPAS test shows that I will not enter the big Integrated programs, I will directly go for the Swedish school.
It is upper secondary school level so the tests there are not so hard.
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Unsatisfactory Satisfactory Good Excellent
I got two good, one unsatisfactory (math) and the rest satisfactory.
Just checking here now, since these results where no Einstein results should I apply for programs like OAA, CTC Cadett or Ethiad Cadett?
I mean is it worht applying for a AB INITIO program with these results? Does these results mean I will probably fail the apptitude tests?
Because I can still go to this school here in Sweden which gives you CPL for free.
So no arguments here now. I want to go Integrated. And I have the Swedish school as plan B. But if you guys think that this IPAS test shows that I will not enter the big Integrated programs, I will directly go for the Swedish school.
It is upper secondary school level so the tests there are not so hard.
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It doesn't mean the end of the world, but what it does mean is you're not as good as you think you are and you shouldn't have been so cockey to other members of the forum.
If you are that dedicated to joining and integrated courses I would recommend always doing their selection anyway and see how you get on.
If you are that dedicated to joining and integrated courses I would recommend always doing their selection anyway and see how you get on.
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Yeah but the thing is that If i don“t start in this free school in a few months. My shot is gone. So if I know that I can make the OAA tests I will waite. If I know that it is impossible, I will emediatley jump on the free school.
That was the reason for me asking if my score on the IPAS showed that I don“t have a high chanche of getting in to OAA/CTC/FTE
That was the reason for me asking if my score on the IPAS showed that I don“t have a high chanche of getting in to OAA/CTC/FTE
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Fabbe, I woldnt worry too much about the IPAS thing. If you're looking to apply to any of the integrated providers- I would highly recommend you looking at this link.
Get a Head for the Sky - Airline Interview Preparation
It is tailored for students applying to cadet schemes and is broken down into 4 phases ( Sound familiar) each one detailing what you can expect from Application through aptitude tests to interview and finally sim check.
Have a look....
Get a Head for the Sky - Airline Interview Preparation
It is tailored for students applying to cadet schemes and is broken down into 4 phases ( Sound familiar) each one detailing what you can expect from Application through aptitude tests to interview and finally sim check.
Have a look....
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Look I will start at the OAA, CTC, EFT etc in 2-3 years. But since I want to know now if I can get in. Is it possible to do the apptitude tests allready now?
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Thats a good idea as well. Or you could go and get the GAPAN test that will surely give you an insight into what is involved.
Either way I cant answer youre impulsive, what if questions in 3 years or so, we dont know whats going to happen 3 months down the line, so go do some research of you're own and stop expecting quick answers just from here.
Ps. Why dont you speak to Daria, as I think he's youre twin.....
Either way I cant answer youre impulsive, what if questions in 3 years or so, we dont know whats going to happen 3 months down the line, so go do some research of you're own and stop expecting quick answers just from here.
Ps. Why dont you speak to Daria, as I think he's youre twin.....
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One thing to remember before having too much of a go at Fabbe is that he's 16 years old. Remember when you were sixteen? A year from now is a long time for him, ten years is a lifetime. Impatience is normal.
That's what I would say to you Fabbe and all you teenagers out there, two years time you'll be 18, in four years time you'll be 20, six years 22. That's 2013. By then you will still be very young. (Which is more than I can say for myself.)
There is no hurry to do anything, right now you may very well fail the tests. Which I suspect will devastate you as you seem quite exciteable. In a couple of years you will have matured a bit and be better placed to pass them. Take your time. These tests prove nothing. They are either a filter for some schools and airlines to pick people to fit in with their idea of what they want from a pilot.
The most honest comment I've seen on these tests is on the Qantas website for the cadet program. Typical straight talking Aussies.
The same is true of any airline.
Don't worry about missing opportunities. Opportunities are like buses, you miss one but there's alway another on the way.
If you want to do the test, do so by all means. But at your age they're pretty meaningless. You should concentrate on your education and developing yourself into a well rounded, sociable person. Because strangely enough, apart from the competencies. The one thing airline recruiters look for is a well balanced person who they would be comfortable sharing a flight deck with. If anything that is the clincher.
Right now you come across on the internet as a bit of pain and just a little arrogant. If you're like that in real life, that will hold you back. I have a feeling though that the real you is a bit different. Well as much as a teenager can be a normal person I remember, how bad I was as a teenager.
People's internet persona can often be very different from their real one.
You have plenty of time. There is no rush or panic. A few years from now, you'll wonder what the fuss was about.
That's what I would say to you Fabbe and all you teenagers out there, two years time you'll be 18, in four years time you'll be 20, six years 22. That's 2013. By then you will still be very young. (Which is more than I can say for myself.)
There is no hurry to do anything, right now you may very well fail the tests. Which I suspect will devastate you as you seem quite exciteable. In a couple of years you will have matured a bit and be better placed to pass them. Take your time. These tests prove nothing. They are either a filter for some schools and airlines to pick people to fit in with their idea of what they want from a pilot.
The most honest comment I've seen on these tests is on the Qantas website for the cadet program. Typical straight talking Aussies.
The Cadet selection process is highly competitive, and failure to be selected does not necessarily mean that you do not have the potential to become a competent pilot and a successful direct entry applicant at some future date
Don't worry about missing opportunities. Opportunities are like buses, you miss one but there's alway another on the way.
If you want to do the test, do so by all means. But at your age they're pretty meaningless. You should concentrate on your education and developing yourself into a well rounded, sociable person. Because strangely enough, apart from the competencies. The one thing airline recruiters look for is a well balanced person who they would be comfortable sharing a flight deck with. If anything that is the clincher.
Right now you come across on the internet as a bit of pain and just a little arrogant. If you're like that in real life, that will hold you back. I have a feeling though that the real you is a bit different. Well as much as a teenager can be a normal person
I remember, how bad I was as a teenager. People's internet persona can often be very different from their real one. You have plenty of time. There is no rush or panic. A few years from now, you'll wonder what the fuss was about.
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Everyone hates me online since I ask stupid questions and I seem arogant and stuborn. But I swear on my christian faith that I am not like that IRL. I am a very social guy IRL and all the people likes me and I like them
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I'm going to hijack this thread and ask how quickly you can typically get an initial class 1 booked. The school told me to get my class 2 ASAP for my first solo ().
Anyway i have a week off work next week so i thought i would book a class 2 (because i'm going to get a PPL regardless of whether i can go all the way or not, and it probably won't be a year till i pass my PPL anyway). It can be done next week but it's going to cost £220
ergo, not much less than an initial class 1 - and presumably it doesn't feature the heavily coveted finger up the bum scan 
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So i figured i might as well go for the Class 1 if i can get it this week. I rang LGW medical centre but i just missed the closing time for the phone line and it's closed over the weekend, so i wondered if any of you lot would know how quickly you can typically get a booking for a class 1?
Potential thanks in advance.
). Anyway i have a week off work next week so i thought i would book a class 2 (because i'm going to get a PPL regardless of whether i can go all the way or not, and it probably won't be a year till i pass my PPL anyway). It can be done next week but it's going to cost £220
ergo, not much less than an initial class 1 - and presumably it doesn't feature the heavily coveted finger up the bum scan .So i figured i might as well go for the Class 1 if i can get it this week. I rang LGW medical centre but i just missed the closing time for the phone line and it's closed over the weekend, so i wondered if any of you lot would know how quickly you can typically get a booking for a class 1?
Potential thanks in advance.
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FABBE,, ur only 16, i spent god knows how many years researching schools and schemes, in the mean time i went to uni and completed my ppl. (and i still yet havent found a FREE CPL thats for sure anywhere) I did the Flybe sponsorship tests, they werent to bad, but after 4 times of trying I finally succeeded, so dont just give up after the first round but if you do, then you didnt really want it in the first place.
NOW ENDthis whole debate, and do some researching fabbe of your own, it will benefit you more, and go to a school thats suits you, not the schools with fancy booklets with nice looking picture in them just cause you like them.
RJIII - I reckon you can have a medical within two weeks of enquiring at the moment. Dont do a class two if you have the intention of gaining a class 1 soon, (waste on money) expect around £300 or so for it.
NOW ENDthis whole debate, and do some researching fabbe of your own, it will benefit you more, and go to a school thats suits you, not the schools with fancy booklets with nice looking picture in them just cause you like them.
RJIII - I reckon you can have a medical within two weeks of enquiring at the moment. Dont do a class two if you have the intention of gaining a class 1 soon, (waste on money) expect around £300 or so for it.
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I don“t care how the websit looks. I care about the reputation and the hired statistics
But anyway this thread was about training for tests. So lets not start this which school is better again.
Lets go back to the training for test topic thanks!
cheers
But anyway this thread was about training for tests. So lets not start this which school is better again.
Lets go back to the training for test topic thanks!
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You can brush up your Maths by practicing mental arithmetic - something which has been lacking in UK schools since I were a lad so not sure if this is something you get taught much in Scandanavia.
There are plenty of websites out there with mental maths problems of a practical nature which will also help you with your flying to some degree (i.e., burning fuel at 14 gals per hour with 40 gals, what is your endurance)
There are plenty of websites out there with mental maths problems of a practical nature which will also help you with your flying to some degree (i.e., burning fuel at 14 gals per hour with 40 gals, what is your endurance)
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have a look at www.cockpitweb.com they offer software, at a cost, that should allow you to practice aptitude tests, numerical reasoning and psychometric tests similar to what you might expect from the airlines.
www.pilapt.com will show you the types of tests you may come across but you can not practice them on line.
Or you could look up pprune under pilapt to see if others have explained it better for your given flight school.
Hope this helps.
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www.pilapt.com will show you the types of tests you may come across but you can not practice them on line.
Or you could look up pprune under pilapt to see if others have explained it better for your given flight school.
Hope this helps.
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And for the hand eye coordination play some games (especially Flight Simulator if you've got it).
P.S. I did those tests got 1 excellent, two good and two satisfactory (i.e. not too difficult for you to achieve with a bit of practice) and I found the CTC tests to be preety easy (though I later messed up the interview but thats another story).
P.S. I did those tests got 1 excellent, two good and two satisfactory (i.e. not too difficult for you to achieve with a bit of practice) and I found the CTC tests to be preety easy (though I later messed up the interview but thats another story).
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This is how I did on the IPAS test,
the scores are unsatisfactory, satisfactory, good and excellent
BALL GAME: satisfactory
TOTAL RECALL: good
MATH: satisfactory
WINGS AND THINGS: excellent
BINGO: good
score: 3914
Now this result wouldn“t had let me into OAA or CTC today right?
the scores are unsatisfactory, satisfactory, good and excellent
BALL GAME: satisfactory
TOTAL RECALL: good
MATH: satisfactory
WINGS AND THINGS: excellent
BINGO: good
score: 3914
Now this result wouldn“t had let me into OAA or CTC today right?
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Well you're maths is imroving which is good and as I said the ball game one is quite easy to improve IMO, you're recall was better than mine (I thought I did awful at that but somehow got satisfactory). With CTC they have a maths test seperately (though I have heard them waving it for somebody who failed it but had a PPL), you have the ball game, wings and something similar to the bingo and then one other thing which combines the hand eye coordination, numbers counting down (have to push a button when the sequence changes) and bingo all combined into a 3 in 1 overloader test (which is quite difficult TBH).
I don't know their specific marking criteria (and they don't tell you how well you're doing for most of the tests) but just keep working at it.
P.S. I also feel obliged to mention that that school sounds to good to be true and if you've checked it out then thats what I'd go for no doubt.
I don't know their specific marking criteria (and they don't tell you how well you're doing for most of the tests) but just keep working at it.
P.S. I also feel obliged to mention that that school sounds to good to be true and if you've checked it out then thats what I'd go for no doubt.