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Nobody can guarantee a job before you have a CPL or MPL. Flybe give a conditional job offer and it will have more get out clauses than just whether or not the cadets obtain the required license. If you are determined to try and become a Flybe cadet, at least try it at FTE or OAA, where (gasp...never thought you'd read this on Pprune) it's at least £10K cheaper than PTC.
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Only problem with those Courses Adios, is that they require A-Levels which I dont have.
Do airlines prefer the intergrated route or modular, everyone is going to say intergrated but when you are talking a 30k saving.
Do airlines prefer the intergrated route or modular, everyone is going to say intergrated but when you are talking a 30k saving.
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You are right no PTC student has got a Job with Flybe so far.......... however that is coz we are the first such course and we are just finishing our ATPLs. Thereb are pros and cons to ever fto any people wanting accurate info pm me.
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Again refer to previous statement, you really dont have a clue, to me it isnt a waste of money, it is an investment in myself. Again an FTO is very much what you and the fellow students make of it, like an ATM you only get out what you put into it.
I am never on here bitching about stuff thats not right, life isnt perfect, so if you choose to go with another FTO, then thats fine it is your choice but dont winge about an FTO weather its PTC, CTC or Oxford if you have no experience, of that FTO. That could be said for a lot of people on here. So I am not mad at you, just think you really are clueless.
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I am never on here bitching about stuff thats not right, life isnt perfect, so if you choose to go with another FTO, then thats fine it is your choice but dont winge about an FTO weather its PTC, CTC or Oxford if you have no experience, of that FTO. That could be said for a lot of people on here. So I am not mad at you, just think you really are clueless.
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Flight Safety was a joke!! Don't think all Flybe students will get taken on straight away, so lads, heads down, work hard if you want that job.
Stu love your work, keep it up. and if Micheal o'Leary is reading this, I'll be finished around the new year, keep a slot open for us
Stu love your work, keep it up.
and if Micheal o'Leary is reading this, I'll be finished around the new year, keep a slot open for us
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ninja - according to the software...*you* deleted the post that you made yesterday. That's why it's not showing up. I can see it - but I have special buttons.
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My experience
I have done all the research and was attracted by all the big lights CTC and Oxford has to offer. So I decided to truly find out what it was all about.
I told CTC to knock their FlyBe assessment day to 100 euros and I'd hop over the Irish Pond to go through the PILAPT assessment and FNPT II Sim Check of which I didnt have a problem which. So they are like well we will contact you if you are successful to put you for a FlyBe Interview.
Shock Horror I was successful but before they put you for interview they sent me a form saying you wouldnt be guaranteed a job and that where would the 90000 euros for the course come from and when can it be ready for. So that was it.
Now i have budgeted to do my PPL, ATPL Theory with Bristol GS, Hour Building, Multi Engine, IR, CPL, MCC & Jet Orientation Course all in this country taking into account budgeting for failures for circa 40k and you end up with more flying time and experience in UK Airspace.
Just starting my ATPL Theory for Bristol Now and never looked back. by time you work out flights, accomdation at schools abroad theres no point, you dont get experience flying in clear skies with no air traffic in a desert.
Also heard rumours that first lot of FlyBe cadets have been offered jobs as cabin crew in mean time (spose its better than nothing). But how are you meant to justify 90k for a 25000 pound wage!!!!! Dont have a go if rumours arent true, as it has not been confirmed.
Hope its been of some use.
I told CTC to knock their FlyBe assessment day to 100 euros and I'd hop over the Irish Pond to go through the PILAPT assessment and FNPT II Sim Check of which I didnt have a problem which. So they are like well we will contact you if you are successful to put you for a FlyBe Interview.
Shock Horror I was successful but before they put you for interview they sent me a form saying you wouldnt be guaranteed a job and that where would the 90000 euros for the course come from and when can it be ready for. So that was it.
Now i have budgeted to do my PPL, ATPL Theory with Bristol GS, Hour Building, Multi Engine, IR, CPL, MCC & Jet Orientation Course all in this country taking into account budgeting for failures for circa 40k and you end up with more flying time and experience in UK Airspace.
Just starting my ATPL Theory for Bristol Now and never looked back. by time you work out flights, accomdation at schools abroad theres no point, you dont get experience flying in clear skies with no air traffic in a desert.
Also heard rumours that first lot of FlyBe cadets have been offered jobs as cabin crew in mean time (spose its better than nothing). But how are you meant to justify 90k for a 25000 pound wage!!!!! Dont have a go if rumours arent true, as it has not been confirmed.
Hope its been of some use.
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Wow dick...... aptly named.. I take offence to your statement that the ME/CPL in the states, is to a lower standard than back in the uk. " Monkeys" you say, let me put the record straight, we do a ME/CPL in the States with three Amazing, let me say that once again Amazing JAA instructors, who teach the course to an exceptionally high standard.
We are then tested by the same examiner that does the Oxford crowed in Arizona, so if you are calling the ME/CPL in the States crap, you must be tarnishing Oxford with that same brush, which is some statement.
This site never ceases to amaze me!
We are then tested by the same examiner that does the Oxford crowed in Arizona, so if you are calling the ME/CPL in the States crap, you must be tarnishing Oxford with that same brush, which is some statement.
This site never ceases to amaze me!
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For a start ptc do the cpl in america where the standards are no where near as high as they are in the uk cpl course.
Yup. Dick by name, dick by nature. Utter rubbish. Sorry, but how is it different? On the CPL exam you do the same thing as you would in the UK, it just happens that it's a lot hotter, the wx changes in the blink of an eye, and flying over pretty desolate, flat featureless terrain makes the cross country nav interesting to say the least. The rest is exactly the same in as in the UK!
Yup. Dick by name, dick by nature. Utter rubbish. Sorry, but how is it different? On the CPL exam you do the same thing as you would in the UK, it just happens that it's a lot hotter, the wx changes in the blink of an eye, and flying over pretty desolate, flat featureless terrain makes the cross country nav interesting to say the least. The rest is exactly the same in as in the UK!
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I wouldnt get too worked up about the cpl, its a bit of a joke really. The IR is the important one. acepilotmurdock - you are very pro ptc, and i know of 2 of the instuctors youre talking about in florida, have flown with them and i agree, they are excellent.
However wait until you do your IR in ireland with ptc - really crappy aircraft, really crappy scheduling ie. getting messed around when you need to get your sim sessions out of the way, but the sim is getting preference to be used for 'assesment' flights. Flying with differant instructors every day all wanting to do things differantly. Ground school being taught by people with 200 hours who dont have a clue - chief ground instructor doesnt even have an IR or an instructor rating. Seriously. The list goes on, youre paying top money for second rate training. Wait until youve been through the whole thing and you see that nobody gets jobs and we'll see if youre still so quick to jump to PTCs defence.
However wait until you do your IR in ireland with ptc - really crappy aircraft, really crappy scheduling ie. getting messed around when you need to get your sim sessions out of the way, but the sim is getting preference to be used for 'assesment' flights. Flying with differant instructors every day all wanting to do things differantly. Ground school being taught by people with 200 hours who dont have a clue - chief ground instructor doesnt even have an IR or an instructor rating. Seriously. The list goes on, youre paying top money for second rate training. Wait until youve been through the whole thing and you see that nobody gets jobs and we'll see if youre still so quick to jump to PTCs defence.
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Murdock you fool ---------of course its harder in the uk its a hundred times harder just ask any one thats flown in america and then flown in the uk. why dont they do the ir in america? you tell me why you cant get a jar ir in america? because the bloody caa wouldnt have it thats why
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WARNING!!
You guys are sliding into a pit of name calling and discussion on a topic (the merits of USA v. UK training) under a thread title that has NOTHING to do with it.
Considering PTC don't DO any training or testing in the UK it all seems a bit moot.
Name calling is not allowed on ANY forum or thread. Now cut it out and grow up.
If you can't have a professional conversation then stay off the thread - or, even better, stay off the forum.
You guys are sliding into a pit of name calling and discussion on a topic (the merits of USA v. UK training) under a thread title that has NOTHING to do with it.
Considering PTC don't DO any training or testing in the UK it all seems a bit moot.
Name calling is not allowed on ANY forum or thread. Now cut it out and grow up.
If you can't have a professional conversation then stay off the thread - or, even better, stay off the forum.
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You are right, I haven't done the IR yet, as I am a week away from my CPL check. I never mentioned the IR I was merely jumping to my own and others defence who have done there ME/CPL out here,that it was said second rate.
Now normally I would say thats your own opinion, and fair enough, how ever if you do know the two instructors I am talking about then you will understand what I am saying. They are proffesional, and will not take or accept second rate. So it is also a defence of there proffesionalism.
I am not anti or pro PTC, I am just sick of people slagging PTC off cos of past posts etc with not having any basis for that opinion. I herd all the nightmare storys before I came here, however at the age of 31 I took the mature stance of finding out for myself.
Agreed things were not perfect to start with, and there has been a million percent improvement, and personally I think the people involved in that turn around should be praised, again their are still issues but they are being addressed.
End of rant, and jumping off my soap box, and an apology to Dick for my comment
Now normally I would say thats your own opinion, and fair enough, how ever if you do know the two instructors I am talking about then you will understand what I am saying. They are proffesional, and will not take or accept second rate. So it is also a defence of there proffesionalism.
I am not anti or pro PTC, I am just sick of people slagging PTC off cos of past posts etc with not having any basis for that opinion. I herd all the nightmare storys before I came here, however at the age of 31 I took the mature stance of finding out for myself.
Agreed things were not perfect to start with, and there has been a million percent improvement, and personally I think the people involved in that turn around should be praised, again their are still issues but they are being addressed.
End of rant, and jumping off my soap box, and an apology to Dick for my comment
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Just finished up with PTC a month ago and RATE THEM A VERY GOOD SCHOOL! The move from FSI was for the best the new set up in FIT in Melbourne is brilliant. I did my CPL/ME in 3 and a half weeks in minimum hours, did the MEIR in Waterford in 5 weeks also minimum hours. A week after finishing up went down to sort out money and got a 4 figured sum BACK for being under hours.
The guys who get screwed at PTC are the guys who go way over hours. They turn up totally unprepared for flights and wonder why the instructor makes them repeat the lesson, PTC are a very good school if your willing to work hard.
Just my experience and unlike most people commenting on PTC I've actually gone there!
The guys who get screwed at PTC are the guys who go way over hours. They turn up totally unprepared for flights and wonder why the instructor makes them repeat the lesson, PTC are a very good school if your willing to work hard.
Just my experience and unlike most people commenting on PTC I've actually gone there!
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Well done on completing your course. PTC is Faaaar too expensive for what it is. How much did you pay for your training? You sound like PTC staff to be honest, sorry-
Well done on completing your course. PTC is Faaaar too expensive for what it is. How much did you pay for your training? You sound like PTC staff to be honest, sorry-