Is Cabair going to stay alive?
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They do do it properly
My point is that they have it in their gift to make the structure of courses, appointment of FTOs and candidates' responsibilities to themselves more accountable at one level.
I have no desire to have heavy handed regulation - that way leads to the jobsworth mentality so prevalent in the Nu Labour (and now, I fear, the Nu Conservative) world.
Perception is all; is there a mechanism to say, up front 'yes, we have done due diligence on the training manuals, but we are not responsible for monitoring the financial aspects of this company - despite their having made a cock of it in the past.'?
While the CAA has the ultimate say in dictating who is allowed to extract vast sums of money from students, I believe there is a moral imperative to include the fiduciary element in their considerations. It appears to me this is not the case.
My perception of the whole mixup is that different parts of different bodies are accountable. Any lawyer worth his/her rations will turn any case down involving an animal that can point anywhere other than itself.
I maintain: time for change!
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Obviously this website site is called a rumour network and there are alot of rumours flying about regards Cabair and their current state, I find the Provenance and accuracy of these rumours is difficult to judge.
The reason for this is fairly straight forward, if Cabair are in such a state as people say they are then why are they still able to afford advertisement in Pilot magazine?
Another question is why has no member of Cabair staff made any comment on PPRUNE, and there are members of Cabair staff that are members of this site and have previously posted on other Cabair related topics.
The reason for this is fairly straight forward, if Cabair are in such a state as people say they are then why are they still able to afford advertisement in Pilot magazine?
Another question is why has no member of Cabair staff made any comment on PPRUNE, and there are members of Cabair staff that are members of this site and have previously posted on other Cabair related topics.
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The reason for this is fairly straight forward, if Cabair are in such a state as people say they are then why are they still able to afford advertisement in Pilot magazine?
Another question is why has no member of Cabair staff made any comment on PPRUNE, and there are members of Cabair staff that are members of this site and have previously posted on other Cabair related topics.
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From: Biggleswade
A question was asked about why no previous Cabair staff had posted. I believe that one has! Here is another.
I was made redundant from an instructor post by Cabair some 18 months ago. (I have no grievance about the procedure).
I have found other employment in the meanwhile (although spent some salutory six months having to visit the Job Centre).
I have to say, that despite the current sad situation, my viewpoint as a former instructor, is that I found my instructor colleagues at Cabair professional to their utmost and wish them all the very best in for their futures. "It was a privilege to work with you guys". No names; no pack drill.
Nevertheless, under the present conditions, I feel somewhat vindicated about being made redundant. Whilst not the most ennervating position to be in, I am over that particular "kick in the teeth". And I was paid right up until the final day!!
I feel for those who have given their all for no remuneration, for the last two months.
I was made redundant from an instructor post by Cabair some 18 months ago. (I have no grievance about the procedure).
I have found other employment in the meanwhile (although spent some salutory six months having to visit the Job Centre).
I have to say, that despite the current sad situation, my viewpoint as a former instructor, is that I found my instructor colleagues at Cabair professional to their utmost and wish them all the very best in for their futures. "It was a privilege to work with you guys". No names; no pack drill.
Nevertheless, under the present conditions, I feel somewhat vindicated about being made redundant. Whilst not the most ennervating position to be in, I am over that particular "kick in the teeth". And I was paid right up until the final day!!
I feel for those who have given their all for no remuneration, for the last two months.
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yamYaminsty
Your post could have been written by me!!!!!!!
As always it's the lower ranks who get it in the neck...... And as the 2 weeks of temporary suspension have well passed, I fear with the greatest of fears, despite the beating of the drums by directors (old and new) and other management bods. Nevertheless in the interest of students and aforementioned staff I really do hope something positive comes out of this.
Regards from the Old Warden area.
Your post could have been written by me!!!!!!!
As always it's the lower ranks who get it in the neck...... And as the 2 weeks of temporary suspension have well passed, I fear with the greatest of fears, despite the beating of the drums by directors (old and new) and other management bods. Nevertheless in the interest of students and aforementioned staff I really do hope something positive comes out of this.
Regards from the Old Warden area.
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good for you ..
guess you didn't put £ X,000 into the company on trust.
We watched LSF aghast in the 70's and it grew, the oil streaked Cabair Air Taxi Navajo's turned into shiny Grumman AA1's (not cleared for spinning but wanted to do nothing else)... a great aircraft for EGTR !! but who cared, the punters had money and soooo ... yeh whatever hours to solo was fine.
At the time it reeked of cheque book licensing .. nothing changed.
Names and market changed for sure, mentality ... not.
Then who was gonna listen in the face of all that slick marketing ?
A whole load of people avoided them like the plague, and advised others to do likewise. QED.
My advice hasn't changed in 30 years: there is an excellent school at EGTC that has a sound financial base outside of aviation, and who deliver ..
no uniforms required.
We watched LSF aghast in the 70's and it grew, the oil streaked Cabair Air Taxi Navajo's turned into shiny Grumman AA1's (not cleared for spinning but wanted to do nothing else)... a great aircraft for EGTR !! but who cared, the punters had money and soooo ... yeh whatever hours to solo was fine.
At the time it reeked of cheque book licensing .. nothing changed.
Names and market changed for sure, mentality ... not.
Then who was gonna listen in the face of all that slick marketing ?
A whole load of people avoided them like the plague, and advised others to do likewise. QED.
My advice hasn't changed in 30 years: there is an excellent school at EGTC that has a sound financial base outside of aviation, and who deliver ..
no uniforms required.
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I have to say that some comments on here about Cabair "Cheque book licencing" are a bit unfair. Everyone who came out the other end of Cabair with a frozen ATPL had to go through all the tests like at any other flight school. The problem may well be that more students failed to make the grade during training and took much longer or gave in. However for those of us with licences from Cabair are just as qualified as anyone else. The actual training was of high standard.
Sometimes I feel that the bad rep of Cabair is holding me back in my job search and that it is unjustified.
Sometimes I feel that the bad rep of Cabair is holding me back in my job search and that it is unjustified.
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They're not on the exhibitor list: 2011 LONDON PROFESSIONAL FLIGHT TRAINING EXHIBITION
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As each day goes by it seems increasingly unlikely that it will be business as normal for Cabair.
Liabilities have increased over the last month with no income coming in which increases the additional capital required especially if they intend to get their impounded aircraft released.
Not a pretty sight.
Liabilities have increased over the last month with no income coming in which increases the additional capital required especially if they intend to get their impounded aircraft released.
Not a pretty sight.
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But how many aircraft did Cabair actually own? Surely most of them were from rental companies (that may or may not be 'associated' with Cabair) and many leased from private owners who may not be too keen to lease them to the 'new' Cabair...
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But how many aircraft did Cabair actually own?
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I visited one of the other schools at Cranfield the other day, and had to walk past Cabair. Very quiet, very empty.
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Back in the mists of time there were two principals of the said company, who were commonly referred to as Steve Greed and the other was called Colin Thiefcoat. Colin was the founder. Steve was reputed to have put the "S" in Cabair. It's very old joke I know, but two things remain constant: "many a true word is said in jest" & "leopards don't change their spots".
So sad for all the poor b*st*rds who lost their money/jobs. Regretfully there is not much justice in the world and the top dogs usually come out wealthy and smelling of roses. I'm sure they will go on to do it again, as they know when it is a good thing, so don't be surprised who springs out of the shadows to relieve all of their hard earned!
I remember well the "carve up" when a certain Bournemouth FTO went bust and the erstwhile MD and said "Greed" bought it for a song from the receiver and went on to form EPTA.
Well as the classics declare "Caveat Emptor".
So sad for all the poor b*st*rds who lost their money/jobs. Regretfully there is not much justice in the world and the top dogs usually come out wealthy and smelling of roses. I'm sure they will go on to do it again, as they know when it is a good thing, so don't be surprised who springs out of the shadows to relieve all of their hard earned!
I remember well the "carve up" when a certain Bournemouth FTO went bust and the erstwhile MD and said "Greed" bought it for a song from the receiver and went on to form EPTA.
Well as the classics declare "Caveat Emptor".