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Utter rubbish, it might help slightly with getting your foot in the door, but that's it.
FWIW I trained unknown small school modular and work for a big name. But I am alone amongst the other cadets in the that respect.
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So what your saying is that integrated students have a ever slightley better chance of employment and that ever so slight advantage really matters when getting your foot in the door for the first time?
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So what your saying is that integrated students have a ever slightley better chance of employment and that ever so slight advantage really matters when getting your foot in the door for the first time?
your starting to look at the small things that people are saying and missing the big picture. take a step back and search the forum again and all the threads you have put up. again your trying to ask people to make a decission for you.
when i was first looking at which school to go to, the only difference i saw between Oxford and the school i chose was that they guaranteed an INTERVIEW with BA, nothing else. i then found out how many people realy get into BA compared with how many students oxford take on. i could not see any other reason why i should have gone there and could not justify spending the extra money to come out with less hours and the same blue book.
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No regrets with modular for me.
If you want to go through the integrated sausage machine route and pay over £30K more, with less hours, mostly done in the US where flying is MUCH cheaper than the UK, then thats your choice (one hell of a mark up). You come out with the same basic licence.
None of the big legacy carriers will take newbies on for years now, only really Ryanair who don't give Tom tit where you trained as long as you've got the cash to pay to work!
It's all about networking in this game, it worked for me, and I wouldn't go integrated ever. How anyone can justify, especially in these bleak times, getting over £100K in debt for a job with the likes of Ryanair is beyond me (after 2 years it does become a job, an enjoyable one, but just a job).
Good luck to all you wannabes out there it certainly is a tough time! Don't rush into rash decisions.
If you want to go through the integrated sausage machine route and pay over £30K more, with less hours, mostly done in the US where flying is MUCH cheaper than the UK, then thats your choice (one hell of a mark up). You come out with the same basic licence.
None of the big legacy carriers will take newbies on for years now, only really Ryanair who don't give Tom tit where you trained as long as you've got the cash to pay to work!
It's all about networking in this game, it worked for me, and I wouldn't go integrated ever. How anyone can justify, especially in these bleak times, getting over £100K in debt for a job with the likes of Ryanair is beyond me (after 2 years it does become a job, an enjoyable one, but just a job).
Good luck to all you wannabes out there it certainly is a tough time! Don't rush into rash decisions.
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hey guys, i`m faced with same dilema, modular or integrated, and everyone is saying modular is 20.000k+ cheaper than integrated. I`ve done all my calculations and after i added all the hour building, modular was just slightly cheaper. I`m sure i`m missing something so someone, please clarify how it works.
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Guys, it's not rocket science. If it is then I don't know whether you should go ahead and pursue this career.
Let me break it down for you:
Everyone knows the markets has sunk. I wouldn't call it a dip, not with so many type rated and experienced pilots out there. Alot of people have different views but in my opinion, we are looking at around 3 years for things to become sweetful similar to what they were a year and a half ago.
Simple maths: 3x12 = 36 months
Integrated = 15-18 months
Modular = stop and start as you please. ( review the economy and finish when its in you favour)
You can clearly see that starting an integrated course now will be quite the same as russian roulette at the moment as you will graduate way before things start to pick up.
I would have thought people will have thought this through that modular would be the best way to train especially in delicate times like these. Dont go for the stupid integrated employment statistic hype. It means F*** all when no one is recruiting. If you think you will get into BA once you graduate in 15-18 months time, you are seriously gonna kick yourself when the time comes.
I am a person who speaks clearly and to the point and believe sending the right message is everything this website this about. If you don't agree, I respect your opinion and views.
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Let me break it down for you:
Everyone knows the markets has sunk. I wouldn't call it a dip, not with so many type rated and experienced pilots out there. Alot of people have different views but in my opinion, we are looking at around 3 years for things to become sweetful similar to what they were a year and a half ago.
Simple maths: 3x12 = 36 months
Integrated = 15-18 months
Modular = stop and start as you please. ( review the economy and finish when its in you favour)
You can clearly see that starting an integrated course now will be quite the same as russian roulette at the moment as you will graduate way before things start to pick up.
I would have thought people will have thought this through that modular would be the best way to train especially in delicate times like these. Dont go for the stupid integrated employment statistic hype. It means F*** all when no one is recruiting. If you think you will get into BA once you graduate in 15-18 months time, you are seriously gonna kick yourself when the time comes.
I am a person who speaks clearly and to the point and believe sending the right message is everything this website this about. If you don't agree, I respect your opinion and views.
Hope that helps
G-XO
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Hve you factored in loss of earnings? Whilst taking a modular route, you can also work.
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Afraz I sense you're still going round in circles, trying to square it or rather get others to square it for you.
In these times, and factor in a good few years for low houred guys, it really really really really really really (see what Im getting at???) doesnt matter how you train, wether you go to a Super Dooper all singing all dancing flight school, or not.
The jobs mate just are not there!!!!! Why on earth you would be thinking of integrated is beyond me! It appears as though THAT is the only factor that you are thinking about, as though that is the magic answer to your problems of getting a jet job as and when, that the school will do it for you! Why dont you just concentrate on getting your licence as cost effectively as possible, worry about the jobs when there are some! Believe me mate you really appear to be putting far too much emphasis on this than is healthy.
Ask most of us who have jobs, and I bet about half were modular, half integrated. Ish anyway.
Good luck. But I suspect we will still be answering you this time next year re: the great British Mod vs Int debate........
In these times, and factor in a good few years for low houred guys, it really really really really really really (see what Im getting at???) doesnt matter how you train, wether you go to a Super Dooper all singing all dancing flight school, or not.
The jobs mate just are not there!!!!! Why on earth you would be thinking of integrated is beyond me! It appears as though THAT is the only factor that you are thinking about, as though that is the magic answer to your problems of getting a jet job as and when, that the school will do it for you! Why dont you just concentrate on getting your licence as cost effectively as possible, worry about the jobs when there are some! Believe me mate you really appear to be putting far too much emphasis on this than is healthy.
Ask most of us who have jobs, and I bet about half were modular, half integrated. Ish anyway.
Good luck. But I suspect we will still be answering you this time next year re: the great British Mod vs Int debate........
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Alfraz,
What I think is that 'big school' (well know, established, well networked with the major recruiters, etc) training will give you a better chance of getting your foot in door. I say again that 'big school' does not necessarily mean integrated.
Don't get fixated on the word "integrated". I suggest you do some research and find out who the big players are in the training industry, you will fine one, maybe more modular providers in there.
One errant thought that has struck me about schemes like OAA APP, is what if you are not put forward for interview by the school during a time of strong hiring. Could that raise questions in the mind of a recruiter?
So what your saying is that integrated students have a ever slightley better chance of employment and that ever so slight advantage really matters when getting your foot in the door for the first time?.
Don't get fixated on the word "integrated". I suggest you do some research and find out who the big players are in the training industry, you will fine one, maybe more modular providers in there.
One errant thought that has struck me about schemes like OAA APP, is what if you are not put forward for interview by the school during a time of strong hiring. Could that raise questions in the mind of a recruiter?
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Quite a controversional issue obviously.
The thing is, in the end.........at THAT ONE interview.
No one gives a darn if you did your training in suit and tie at the fancy outfit next door or in a 3-plane family ran flightschool in dirty jeans and sweaters.
If you're competent and intelligent enough you get that job. If you're a jerk on a high horse, you won't.
You can certainly buy a whole lot of things with the right amount of money, but personality isn't among them.
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The thing is, in the end.........at THAT ONE interview.
No one gives a darn if you did your training in suit and tie at the fancy outfit next door or in a 3-plane family ran flightschool in dirty jeans and sweaters.
If you're competent and intelligent enough you get that job. If you're a jerk on a high horse, you won't.
You can certainly buy a whole lot of things with the right amount of money, but personality isn't among them.
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Afraz I think you really really need to take on board what they guys above have been saying. This is your decision and your's alone. We can all provide some insights into our experiences during OUR modular or integrated training but what matters to you is YOUR experience. Personally I would say that flight training is 5% about the school and 95% about you. The more you put in the more you get out and this will be true of almost any school no matter how big or small.
If you still can't decide then let the job's market do it for you...there are naff all newby job's going at the mo and won't be for some time so is finishing in the quickest (and most expensive!) way possible really the best route....
I'm about 2/3 through my training so I really do understand how eager you are to get through ASAP and get into the RHS but don't let that be the driving force behind your decisions because it could well leave you with egg on your face. Determination and ambition are essential to getting your shiny blue book which ever way you go but too much of it could lead to blind and irrational decisions which may give you a shiny blue book but absolutely no hope of being able to use it for some time with the CAA egg timer counting down to some rather expensive renewals!
Good luck mate. Hope thigns pan out for you!
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If you still can't decide then let the job's market do it for you...there are naff all newby job's going at the mo and won't be for some time so is finishing in the quickest (and most expensive!) way possible really the best route....
I'm about 2/3 through my training so I really do understand how eager you are to get through ASAP and get into the RHS but don't let that be the driving force behind your decisions because it could well leave you with egg on your face. Determination and ambition are essential to getting your shiny blue book which ever way you go but too much of it could lead to blind and irrational decisions which may give you a shiny blue book but absolutely no hope of being able to use it for some time with the CAA egg timer counting down to some rather expensive renewals!
Good luck mate. Hope thigns pan out for you!
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Afraz and others thinking about starting training, I think you should really have got the message by now. What I've said to you in my PMs and what others say here is pretty consistent.
I think you have enough information by now to make a decision. Good luck with it.
I think you have enough information by now to make a decision. Good luck with it.
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'The Great Integrated vs Modular debate.'
Can't remember if anyone has stated this already, however, to be honest, a real debate can only arise whenever there is a job market to speak of.
Speaking to a lot of influential people within the industry, the real synopsis, I find, is that there is not a lot of difference between the qualities of either. Infact, if I'm perfectly honest, I have heard one or two larger 'integrated' establishments being severely slated for the end product that they were sending to the airlines. I had always been a little indifferent towards the whole debate, willing to accept that the integrated schools would always forge a stronger relationship with the carriers because 'that's the way it has always been.' Now I would sit firmly on the modular side of the fence. Not just because I was a modular man myself, but because I have been left with a very dim view on integrated courses and indeed with one school in particular. One thing that I would say is that integrated schools will get you that preverbial 'foot in the door' with some airlines. However, call me a cynic if you like, I do believe that it's not just raw ability and a credible personality that will get you there by itself. This makes the integrated world even more of a gamble. However that's only my opinion.
I'm a firm believer in, 'if you want something badly enough, go out and get it yourself.' I'd stand by the fact that this philosophy worked for the vast majority of the guys and girls who completed their CPL/IR's around the same time as myself at a particular modular establishment mentioned a few times in this thread. Yes, many ended up in Ryanair (avec moi) however a few more ended up with other airlines such as Titan, CityJet, Aurigny and DHL. One or two also joined the executive jet market after their training. We all got jobs of our own backs, a few had 'contacts,' however that's often the way to go. I too had made a few and ended up in a hold pool for an airline before I had completed my MCC. But, as someone correctly mentioned, 'timing' had a lot to play in our success stories as well.
Can't remember if anyone has stated this already, however, to be honest, a real debate can only arise whenever there is a job market to speak of.
Speaking to a lot of influential people within the industry, the real synopsis, I find, is that there is not a lot of difference between the qualities of either. Infact, if I'm perfectly honest, I have heard one or two larger 'integrated' establishments being severely slated for the end product that they were sending to the airlines. I had always been a little indifferent towards the whole debate, willing to accept that the integrated schools would always forge a stronger relationship with the carriers because 'that's the way it has always been.' Now I would sit firmly on the modular side of the fence. Not just because I was a modular man myself, but because I have been left with a very dim view on integrated courses and indeed with one school in particular. One thing that I would say is that integrated schools will get you that preverbial 'foot in the door' with some airlines. However, call me a cynic if you like, I do believe that it's not just raw ability and a credible personality that will get you there by itself. This makes the integrated world even more of a gamble. However that's only my opinion.
I'm a firm believer in, 'if you want something badly enough, go out and get it yourself.' I'd stand by the fact that this philosophy worked for the vast majority of the guys and girls who completed their CPL/IR's around the same time as myself at a particular modular establishment mentioned a few times in this thread. Yes, many ended up in Ryanair (avec moi) however a few more ended up with other airlines such as Titan, CityJet, Aurigny and DHL. One or two also joined the executive jet market after their training. We all got jobs of our own backs, a few had 'contacts,' however that's often the way to go. I too had made a few and ended up in a hold pool for an airline before I had completed my MCC. But, as someone correctly mentioned, 'timing' had a lot to play in our success stories as well.
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I'm about 2/3 through my training so I really do understand how eager you are to get through ASAP and get into the RHS but don't let that be the driving force behind your decisions because it could well leave you with egg on your face. Determination and ambition are essential to getting your shiny blue book which ever way you go but too much of it could lead to blind and irrational decisions which may give you a shiny blue book but absolutely no hope of being able to use it for some time with the CAA egg timer counting down to some rather expensive renewals!
I'm close to my IR checkride.... not much to stretch anymore now....except for the CPL of course
