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Old 17th Nov 2008, 15:00
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And sorry guys, I don't want to seem biased to Prophead's advice, I just feel that for myself personally and the state of the industry, this route seems to be the most realisitc

Mike, check your PM!
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Old 17th Nov 2008, 18:34
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Hello Guys

The modular route is completely valid. However, all to often wannabees set off down this route, do a PPL (sometimes of dubious quality) and then without guidance go off at a tangent. It is not that they lack ability, or intelligence, it is that they lack the experience to know what is good and what is bad practice, and unwittingly develop poor habits that can be difficult and expensive to irradiate when they get involved in formal training later on.

Prophead, I'm sorry, my comments in my last post were 'tongue in cheek'; I'll try and be a bit less ironical as sarcasm too often gets lost or misinterpreted on a forum like this. You are right in saying that, other than the PPL, the 150 hours required before commencing a modular CPL course are not training. However, those who do not do any training with the hours at their disposal are severely disadvantaged compared to those who do.

As for the value of this time in developing command skills, for those who plan to or by default end up operating professionally in a single-pilot GA role the experience of coping in at the deep-end without help may be of benefit. It is arguable whether it is of more benefit than supervised training (much of which has to be done as PIC as well to log the required PIC time).

You are right in that we are unlikely to agree on this one; my opinion, for what it is worth, is based on training and examining probably literally hundreds of student pilots who have gone down this route and then struggle when they are required to come up to speed for the CPL or IR, whichever they choose to do first. I am not alone in this; I'd say the majority of instructors working in commercial FTOs teaching modular students would agree that the majority of students arrive poorly prepared as a result of their 'experience'.

In your post yesterday you said "i am giving advice to someone who has yet to start hour building so they can avoid making the same mistakes as others."

So am I. I'm not suggesting avoiding the modular route, what I am suggesting is that if anyone does go down that route, avoid the mistake made by the majority by inadvertently squandering their hours building.

But I've banged on about this enough; anyone would think I'm an old man by the way I keep repeating myself. Oh, I am
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Old 18th Nov 2008, 08:57
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Scott Cardiff - you'll find the commuting Cardiff - Bristol Airport - Cardiff very tiring everyday, once you get into the flying so I'd budget for staying there during the week.

And definitely base yourself close to BGS for the groundschool brush-up as you'll be working all hours.

Both good schools.
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Old 25th Nov 2008, 14:14
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That was a cool discussion prophead and fibod. I would be delighted to rent a plane and head off to France with the family some day or on days off but i think for serious practice id have to go with fibod, and enjoy the fruits later.

Back to the more original post, I have a very keen interest in Bristol aswell, bit of intuition, and a heck of a lot of research, although havnt rang them yet.

Could any one answer me this though, bristol ground school and bristol aviation, two completley different things right?

I rang today and they said they where not affiliated with anyone, does that mean with bristol aviation's integrated course that you dont do ground school with bristol groundschool? (that would be a shame really)

I know i should just ask them myself but its late here and well I'm typin away so thought I might aswell ask.
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Old 25th Nov 2008, 15:37
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CL, they are seperate schools. Bristol Flying Centre offered modular flying training only, but have been taken over and are now Bristol Aviation.

From their website, Bristol Aviation offer an integrated course using BGS for the groundschool - they may use others, I don't know.

You guys really ought to polish up your research skills.
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Old 26th Nov 2008, 09:30
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Just talked to a guy called Bruce at Bristol Aviation in there, very helpful chap, actually he sais the course is not integrated but modular and they are currently trying to get approval from the CAA to make an integrated one although there would not be very much difference in the actual course itself apart from some of the things would have to be done in the UK. Cheedar is used for the ground school alright but I dont know if they bought them or not, forgot to ask.

Anyway they seem very nice and look very professional, its definatley in my top five for sure, weening them down slowly but surley.
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Old 3rd Dec 2008, 14:11
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Ronnie - I think this is a really useful thread. I too am on the verge of taking the plunge into F/T 0 to ATPL training and am looking for both value in my training and a reputable, 'customer facing' organisation. The comments on here are really helping to support the other research I have completed and I think my first option has to be Bristol Aviation's Professional Pilot Programme. It is extremely competitively priced, is an established training course and the team down there couldn't be more helpful. I'll let you know how I get on but have signed up to start with them early Feb.

Maybe I'll see you in South Africa
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