Flybe to start the MPL
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If you get an MPL it is specific to the airline - if they choose to ditch you like STERLING did to it's MPLs then you have to find more money to get CPL/IR ATPL(f).
And who will lend you the money?
Go modular and get some life experience instructing, target towing, para dropping, glider towing, bush flying or similar!
And who will lend you the money?
Go modular and get some life experience instructing, target towing, para dropping, glider towing, bush flying or similar!
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Flybe MPL at Flight Training Europe
Just spotted this in this weeks Flight
Wasnt exactly surprised to see FTE get the contract, seeing they have the longest running mentored scheme. Says alot about OAA, cabair and the other training providers they could have gone to...
Europe's largest regional carrier Flybe has chosen Jerez, Spain-based Flight Training Europe as its partner organisation in creating the first multi-crew pilot licence (MPL) course for a UK-registered airline. The carrier and the flight training organisation are working with the UK Civil Aviation Authority to create an approved MPL course.
Flybe's head of crew training Brian Watt says the first course, which the airline hopes will begin in February, will consist of between six and 12 ab initio trainee pilots. Course graduates will go straight into the co-pilot seats of its Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 turboprop fleet. From 2010 Watt sees the potential for two courses a year, but that will depend on how requirements develop.
Watts says the airline will interview aspiring pilots and put them through a selection procedure. Successful candidates will be offered a bonded contract involving up to £20,000 ($35,700) of funding by the airline, with assistance in financing the rest of the costs.
Flybe's head of crew training Brian Watt says the first course, which the airline hopes will begin in February, will consist of between six and 12 ab initio trainee pilots. Course graduates will go straight into the co-pilot seats of its Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 turboprop fleet. From 2010 Watt sees the potential for two courses a year, but that will depend on how requirements develop.
Watts says the airline will interview aspiring pilots and put them through a selection procedure. Successful candidates will be offered a bonded contract involving up to £20,000 ($35,700) of funding by the airline, with assistance in financing the rest of the costs.
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Wasnt exactly surprised to see FTE get the contract, seeing they have the longest running mentored scheme. Says alot about OAA, cabair and the other training providers they could have gone to...
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Only one guy out of 11 was from FTE on my course a few months back...so now tell us what it tells about FlyBe's relationship with other approved schools?
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Wasnt exactly surprised to see FTE get the contract, seeing they have the longest running mentored scheme. Says alot about OAA, cabair and the other training providers they could have gone to...
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Only one guy out of 11 was from FTE on my course a few months back...so now tell us what it tells about FlyBe's relationship with other approved schools?
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That may well have been the case although how many on your course were new starters and came straight from school?
I believe that Flybe's largest supplier of integrated school recruits come from FTE - but not on every course
Flybe will of course take quality candidates from any source.
That may well have been the case although how many on your course were new starters and came straight from school?
I believe that Flybe's largest supplier of integrated school recruits come from FTE - but not on every course
Flybe will of course take quality candidates from any source.
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MPL is not airline specific
If you get an MPL it is specific to the airline - if they choose to ditch you like STERLING did to it's MPLs then you have to find more money to get CPL/IR ATPL(f).
And who will lend you the money?
Go modular and get some life experience instructing, target towing, para dropping, glider towing, bush flying or similar!
And who will lend you the money?
Go modular and get some life experience instructing, target towing, para dropping, glider towing, bush flying or similar!
However, for the moment there is a good idea for those who has a valid MPL-licence to get CPL/IR. MPL is not yet recoginzed by the companies beacuse it is a new licence with new regulations, to increase the chanses to get a job out there it would be a good idea to convert for CPL/IR... In a few years when the amendment is recognized by the companies i don´t think this will be any problem.
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to increase the chanses to get a job out there it would be a good idea to convert for CPL/IR...
. Flybe will sponsor to the tune of £20K and the training will be a three way partnership. Flybe and FTE will also help with the securing of the funding for the rest of the course. The students bit is to pass the course and then work for Flybe for an agreed period. Should be a win win all round and help those less able to secure private funding get under way in our career. Once the pilot has 'served their time' they would be free to stay/leave or do a type rating with another company. The only advantage of converting to a CPL/IR would be to go and fly single crew aircraft, if that was a desire. That being the case I would suggest the MPL is probably not the way ahead. Each to their own..........
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From FTE website:
FTE and Flybe Cooperate for MPL Training
FTE is very proud to announce that it has been selected by Flybe, Europe´s largest regional carrier, as its partner to conduct the UK´s first MPL training program. Flybe and FTE are working jointly with the UK CAA to put in place the regulatory requirements for an MPL course to commence in Jerez early in 2009.
The Flybe/FTE MPL course will take ab initio pilots all the way through to the right seat of Flybe´s Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 turbo prop aircraft, using advanced training techniques and simulation.
Further details of the course and selection will be announced soon.
FTE and Flybe Cooperate for MPL Training
FTE is very proud to announce that it has been selected by Flybe, Europe´s largest regional carrier, as its partner to conduct the UK´s first MPL training program. Flybe and FTE are working jointly with the UK CAA to put in place the regulatory requirements for an MPL course to commence in Jerez early in 2009.
The Flybe/FTE MPL course will take ab initio pilots all the way through to the right seat of Flybe´s Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 turbo prop aircraft, using advanced training techniques and simulation.
Further details of the course and selection will be announced soon.
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Wasnt exactly surprised to see FTE get the contract, seeing they have the longest running mentored scheme. Says alot about OAA, cabair and the other training providers they could have gone to...
Don't think OAA will be crying into their Chardonnay just yet. They are the provider for the Flybe E195 TR and recurrent sim training. Contract probably covers some 150 pilots, twice a year, against maybe 12 annually for the MPL.
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With the Flybe/FTE scheme there will be no need to increase the chances of getting a job. The job will be offered subject to successful completion of the course.
But as i said, i only think that is a problem for the moment. In a few years there will be no need for a MPL pilot to convert.
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Does anyone worry that the MPL will take over the traditional way of becoming an AIRLINE pilot.
I am just starting my commercial training and it worries me that I may finish and no airline taking on low hours fATPL pilots as they all get their staff from their own MPL courses.
(Esp. as FlyBE are big recruiters of low-hours pilots)
I am just starting my commercial training and it worries me that I may finish and no airline taking on low hours fATPL pilots as they all get their staff from their own MPL courses.
(Esp. as FlyBE are big recruiters of low-hours pilots)
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That may well have been the case although how many on your course were new starters and came straight from school?
I believe that Flybe's largest supplier of integrated school recruits come from FTE - but not on every course
Flybe will of course take quality candidates from any source.
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Not any source I'm afraid...that's a pity for the good guys that trained in non approved FTO, but joining will be much harder, simply because interview slots will be allocated to approved schools first!
On my course, 80% were fresh from school...the vast majority from AOT, one from Cabair (me excluded, because it's not my first job)...and I come across many faces I saw at cabair as well.
Don't oversell FTE, there are other ways to join Flybe.
That may well have been the case although how many on your course were new starters and came straight from school?
I believe that Flybe's largest supplier of integrated school recruits come from FTE - but not on every course
Flybe will of course take quality candidates from any source.
Unquote:
Not any source I'm afraid...that's a pity for the good guys that trained in non approved FTO, but joining will be much harder, simply because interview slots will be allocated to approved schools first!
On my course, 80% were fresh from school...the vast majority from AOT, one from Cabair (me excluded, because it's not my first job)...and I come across many faces I saw at cabair as well.
Don't oversell FTE, there are other ways to join Flybe.
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G-BFUN...
Not being funny, but it's starting to look like you've not read anything that's been written here...I'm probably being unfair and there's just something that hasn't completed the picture for you just yet, so I apologise in advance.
FlyBE (ANY airline that wants to use the MPL route) will be highly unlikely to use only that route to source pilots. This is because they would need to be 100% accurate in their forecasting AT LEAST 15 months in advance. NO airline does this...most struggle with forecasting their requirements 15 DAYS in advance.
Therefore, FlyBE and all the other airlines will - for the moment at least - continue to take fATPL students. HOWEVER, FlyBE have stated that they will only take low hours pilots from the three major integrated FTOs (Cabair, FTE and OAA) and "one stop modular"...namely Atlantic flight training, Coventry, Aeros, Gloucester and PTC, Ireland. I'm sure there are exceptions and slight differences that others will know better than me on, but that is as I understood it direct from Ian Cheese a year ago and backed up on their website (here):
Flybe.com - Pilot sponsorship
Therefore, if you have your heart set on FlyBE, and self sponsored, through ANY of the routes named on their website, you'd have as much chance as most others of being successful....I'd hazzard a guess that would be better odds than 'winning' a place on the MPL scheme, which will offer maybe 12 seats initially.
I hope that clears it up...a read through FlyBEs recruitment pages will also be worthwhile.
Not being funny, but it's starting to look like you've not read anything that's been written here...I'm probably being unfair and there's just something that hasn't completed the picture for you just yet, so I apologise in advance.
FlyBE (ANY airline that wants to use the MPL route) will be highly unlikely to use only that route to source pilots. This is because they would need to be 100% accurate in their forecasting AT LEAST 15 months in advance. NO airline does this...most struggle with forecasting their requirements 15 DAYS in advance.
Therefore, FlyBE and all the other airlines will - for the moment at least - continue to take fATPL students. HOWEVER, FlyBE have stated that they will only take low hours pilots from the three major integrated FTOs (Cabair, FTE and OAA) and "one stop modular"...namely Atlantic flight training, Coventry, Aeros, Gloucester and PTC, Ireland. I'm sure there are exceptions and slight differences that others will know better than me on, but that is as I understood it direct from Ian Cheese a year ago and backed up on their website (here):
Flybe.com - Pilot sponsorship
Therefore, if you have your heart set on FlyBE, and self sponsored, through ANY of the routes named on their website, you'd have as much chance as most others of being successful....I'd hazzard a guess that would be better odds than 'winning' a place on the MPL scheme, which will offer maybe 12 seats initially.
I hope that clears it up...a read through FlyBEs recruitment pages will also be worthwhile.