EFT European Flight Training OWES ME MY REFUND
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It's the LACK of instruction being done. When you are told to come over for a CPL, 3 weeks long if you have enough hours, but there is no instructor or airplanes for you, that is lack of instruction. Flying only 12 hours in 3 weeks is absurd. And then, when you need your monies returned so you can continue your training elsewhere, you don't get it as promised.
Where's the thread suggesting people feel the need to sue a UK flying school?
Of the bitching I hear about flying schools a wholly disproportionate of it relates to foreign flying schools. Most often in the US.
Cheap and cheerful has its place. I just don't think the foundations of your training (the PPL) is the place to trim costs. Just as I think the high fees from the fanciest schools buy you no better training just slicker marketing.
The middle of the road is the sweet spot. Keep Florida for hours building and you can't go far wrong. Is my advice.
Or do these cheap PPL courses now feature flying instructors with >1000hrs instructional experience who have a sound knowledge of the JAA skilltests? They didn't used to.
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Of the bitching I hear about flying schools a wholly disproportionate of it relates to foreign flying schools. Most often in the US.
Cheap and cheerful has its place. I just don't think the foundations of your training (the PPL) is the place to trim costs. Just as I think the high fees from the fanciest schools buy you no better training just slicker marketing.
The middle of the road is the sweet spot. Keep Florida for hours building and you can't go far wrong. Is my advice.
Or do these cheap PPL courses now feature flying instructors with >1000hrs instructional experience who have a sound knowledge of the JAA skilltests? They didn't used to.
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Hmm actually the instructors at the school all have well over 1500 hours and were all JAA qualified before FAA qualified and over 95% of their instruction is towards JAA licences mainly at Commercial level.
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I think WWW is being generic in his comments. If EFT have got top draw JAR instructors, then I would guess that they are in the minority when it comes to US JAR FTO's. Some even guarantee a skills test pass for goodness sake!
As far as EFT themselves go, their behaviour is outrageous if the allegations are true. No matter how good the instructing is. An eperienced instructor is no use at all if he isn't there / has no aircraft / is overbooked etc...
To coin a phrase, at the end of the day, you pays your money and takes your choice. If you take the risk (and it is a risk) of paying up front and going abroad to a school you have only seen on the internet in order to save one or two grand, then there MAY be a downside. In this case it was the money. It could have been anything.
My advise to anyone reading this yet to start their training: Never pay up front and always visit the FTO before you start training. Very simple stuff which could have helped the poor sods on this thread.
I hope you get you cash back ASAP and use it more wisely in the future.
Ready for the onslaught
EK
As far as EFT themselves go, their behaviour is outrageous if the allegations are true. No matter how good the instructing is. An eperienced instructor is no use at all if he isn't there / has no aircraft / is overbooked etc...
To coin a phrase, at the end of the day, you pays your money and takes your choice. If you take the risk (and it is a risk) of paying up front and going abroad to a school you have only seen on the internet in order to save one or two grand, then there MAY be a downside. In this case it was the money. It could have been anything.
My advise to anyone reading this yet to start their training: Never pay up front and always visit the FTO before you start training. Very simple stuff which could have helped the poor sods on this thread.
I hope you get you cash back ASAP and use it more wisely in the future.
Ready for the onslaught
EK
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Where's the thread suggesting people feel the need to sue a UK flying school?
Of the bitching I hear about flying schools a wholly disproportionate of it relates to foreign flying schools. Most often in the US.
Of the bitching I hear about flying schools a wholly disproportionate of it relates to foreign flying schools. Most often in the US.
Now, if it is cheaper in the U.S., it's not because they cut back on quality but because operational costs are lower. Just look at the Avgas prices which are more than twice as high in the UK. Landing taxes are inexistent, maintenance costs lower in the US.
Though management seems to be shaky at some of these US-based UK FTO's, the quality of instruction overall looks pretty good.
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Actually the school is desperately trying to recruit anyone with an FAA instructor ticket, no experience required. They're advertising on US forums, although pay is still below average for the area.
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Who Is It?
The allegation from (not at all) silent witness that the letter from an 'Ian Tinmurth' and published by Pilot refers to OBA has been refuted by them.
Is this the clue?:
'They said they would refund me the difference, which was around $2,500. This was in October I’m still being told the money’s in the post some 20 phone calls later.'
I mention the above simply because it does resemble the allegation(s) in the current thread about EFT (not OBA).
One does not want to undermine the theraputic benefits which a few madmen seem to believe they derive from their obsessive criticism of OBA and obviously paranoid observations about its owner. However, in fairness to all, we need to know who is lying.
Can anyone verify that an 'Ian Tinmurth' exists and, if so, where he trained?
Is this the clue?:
'They said they would refund me the difference, which was around $2,500. This was in October I’m still being told the money’s in the post some 20 phone calls later.'
I mention the above simply because it does resemble the allegation(s) in the current thread about EFT (not OBA).
One does not want to undermine the theraputic benefits which a few madmen seem to believe they derive from their obsessive criticism of OBA and obviously paranoid observations about its owner. However, in fairness to all, we need to know who is lying.
Can anyone verify that an 'Ian Tinmurth' exists and, if so, where he trained?
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Charlotte at Eft told me that my refund should be $2489.70 after not completing my training in September 2007 due to lack of instructors, poor weather and broken down aeroplanes. My I20 came in the the name of Ari Ben Aviator, and not in the name of European Flight Training but I did my training with EFT. I have spoken to EFT many times but to no avail, my cheque as been in the post twice! It was alledged last week by someone at EFT that there was an embezzlement case on going and that EFT had no money.
I have informed the consumer association of Florida at www.800helpfla.com along with the CAA. I suggest that everyone who is owed money should inform the relevant authorities, hopefully this will make them take action against EFT.
I have informed the consumer association of Florida at www.800helpfla.com along with the CAA. I suggest that everyone who is owed money should inform the relevant authorities, hopefully this will make them take action against EFT.
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EFT owe me solo hours that i prepaid for and are remaining as part of a package including the PPL night-rating and hour-building. I haven't got back there yet to fly off the remaining hours. From all i've heard over the past several months, i'd rather get a refund of the money's worth instead of going back there.
Is anyone else in this situation, and if so did they get their money back? Contact me by pm or email if it suits.
Is anyone else in this situation, and if so did they get their money back? Contact me by pm or email if it suits.
Do you see why I advise basic training is best conducted at a school within 100 miles of home who have been in business for >5yrs and who have a good reputation?
Year after year people come here bitching about how cheap and usually foreign basic flying training has not met expectation.
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Year after year people come here bitching about how cheap and usually foreign basic flying training has not met expectation.
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Indeed, just because a flight school is foreign does not mean it is going to be rubbish, I have dealt with some pretty ropey UK based schools - but you learn and move on!
If you are going to drop a large amount of cash into a school then do your homework and visit if you can. if the school is abroad and a visit is out of the question then ask ex-students, use a board such as Pprune to ask around, quiz the school itself. And never pay up front!!!!!!
Using the word 'cheap' in the sense its being portrayed along with 'rubbish' is misleading - the reason foreign flight schools, such as the US, are good value at the moment is that the £ is pretty strong at the moment, exceptionally strong against the $.
J.
If you are going to drop a large amount of cash into a school then do your homework and visit if you can. if the school is abroad and a visit is out of the question then ask ex-students, use a board such as Pprune to ask around, quiz the school itself. And never pay up front!!!!!!
Using the word 'cheap' in the sense its being portrayed along with 'rubbish' is misleading - the reason foreign flight schools, such as the US, are good value at the moment is that the £ is pretty strong at the moment, exceptionally strong against the $.
J.
