Integrated vs Modular
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Im struggling to see how the airlines forcing people to pay extra for a TR by asking for this as a requirement, is any different to them forcing people to pay more to go integrated rather than modular, by saying they will only accept/prefer integrated students.
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Im struggling to see how the airlines forcing people to pay extra for a TR by asking for this as a requirement, is any different to them forcing people to pay more to go integrated rather than modular, by saying they will only accept/prefer integrated students.
The simple fact of the matter is that aslong as people are willing to throw money at training then companys hold all the cards, not just the airlines, the FTO's too. I mean seriously, does it cost 65k plus for a (f)ATPL?
If I had 100k burning a hole in my pocket i'd be Integrated now and then if no joy after a few months with the licence i'd be knocking on the door of any airline that would let me SSTR (with a job at the end of course).
IMHO everybody on here disagree's with the system as it is, but the main reason for all the bitching is jealousy. The green eyed monster staring at anyone that makes it to the RHS before they do and picking up on anything that they can to justify to themselves why this is so. If you had the means ofcourse you'd do anything possible to get the job and if you disagree i would suggest your in denial.
A few months ago i was hoping to go to Africa on completion and fly some Seneca/aztec (or similar) to get some experience and have some fun, after a reality check (and a few harsh words from the Mrs) i've realised that at my age i'm best off going straight for the airlines and hoping for the best, i'm modular because i dont have the means to keep my house going and my daughter fed for 18 months without saving for another year and time isn't on my side.
I think the bottom line here is that people choose the training that suits the pocket first and the personality second, this is true in all walks of life otherwise we'd all have DB9's parked outside our palaces.
Dont hate the players, especially the ones that have worked there tits off to have the money to keep there options open.
Also, heres another analogy (just thought of this while listening to my local friendly owl and having a smoke);
- Why buy a Ferrari when a fiesta gets you to the same place?
- Why get the seacat when the ferry gets you to the same place?
- Why take the private jet etc...
Just realised how long my post is and cant be bothered reading it back so feel free to give me a broadside,
my wings are like a shield of steel-----BEEP-----.
Last edited by Philpaz; 27th April 2008 at 20:56.
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I agrre but i dont think its jealousy, yes of course people would like to be able to afford not just £60k+ for the course but also to be able to take all that time off work. However The reason many people cant do this is because they have family, mortgage, their own business etc. Just because they cannot commit to a full time course doesnt mean they are jealous. Alot of modular guys are on the property ladder, how many integrated guys will be able to save a deposit once they get a job and are paying back the huge loan. Some have businesses that will continue to run alongside the flying job once they qualify. As for family im sure no-one regrets that. The idea that alot of integrated guys have, that all modular students are jealous could not be further from the truth. As for being jealous of someone who has got themselves in £70k of debt.
We are not talking here though about the guys who are lucky enough to afford it or who have saved up the money to pay for it. We are talking about the people willing to get huge loans to finance their training when they could get the same licence for less than half the price. (Yes less than half when you factor in the interest they will pay on their loan)
I also think that if someone has gone integrated and paid more money, on the basis that an airline has told them they prefer integrated students. They should then not complain about someone paying for a type rating on the basis that an airline has said they prefer this. There is no difference. Pay more if you think that gives you a better chance of a job, but dont then put down anyone else for doing exactly the same thing.
We are not talking here though about the guys who are lucky enough to afford it or who have saved up the money to pay for it. We are talking about the people willing to get huge loans to finance their training when they could get the same licence for less than half the price. (Yes less than half when you factor in the interest they will pay on their loan)
I also think that if someone has gone integrated and paid more money, on the basis that an airline has told them they prefer integrated students. They should then not complain about someone paying for a type rating on the basis that an airline has said they prefer this. There is no difference. Pay more if you think that gives you a better chance of a job, but dont then put down anyone else for doing exactly the same thing.
