How much flying do you get when doing ATPL with OAT
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How much flying do you get when doing ATPL with OAT
I was wondering how much flying you get when your doing your ATPL with OAT and i was wondering are you well equipped to pass the skills test at the end of it???
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You don't do any flying during the first 6 months while you complete your ground school. Once you have passed all the ATPLs then you fly to Phoenix and get started with the basic training up to CPL. You come back to the UK for advanced training, IR test etc.
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You do your CPL skills test after approx 100 hours single engine and your IR skills test after approx 140 hours (40 multi, 100 single).
Most people pass CPL skills test first time, most people get (at least) first series IR pass.
How well equipted? CPL - not too difficult, most people find the 100 hours enough. IR - no amount of hours will ever prepare you. Most professional pilots would probably faint if asked to do a single engine NDB. I'm not joking.
Seriously though, most people pass without a hitch. The hours are enough.
Most people pass CPL skills test first time, most people get (at least) first series IR pass.
How well equipted? CPL - not too difficult, most people find the 100 hours enough. IR - no amount of hours will ever prepare you. Most professional pilots would probably faint if asked to do a single engine NDB. I'm not joking.
Seriously though, most people pass without a hitch. The hours are enough.
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You get the required amount of flying regardless of where you train, be it OAT or elsewhere. whether you are good enough to pass the skills test at the end is purely down to your own ability, hard work and detemination.
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I don't want to be rude, but all of your questions are more likely to be answered here : www.oxfordaviation.net than on this forum.
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FLIGHT TRAINING (225 hours) + 2 CAA Skills Tests (MCPL & IR) in PA34 Seneca
SINGLE-ENGINE PA28 AIRCRAFT - Goodyear
FNPT II SIMULATOR - Goodyear
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MULTI-ENGINE PA34 AIRCRAFT - Oxford
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B737-400 IFR MCC / JOC FNPT II MCC SIMULATOR
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140 hours of flying, the rest is on simulator...
SINGLE-ENGINE PA28 AIRCRAFT - Goodyear
FNPT II SIMULATOR - Goodyear
MULTI-ENGINE PA34 AIRCRAFT - Goodyear
MULTI-ENGINE PA34 AIRCRAFT - Oxford
FNPT II SIMULATOR - Oxford
B737-400 IFR MCC / JOC FNPT II MCC SIMULATOR
105 hrs
15 hrs
15 hrs
20 hrs
30 hrs
40 hrs
140 hours of flying, the rest is on simulator...
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So if you complete 135 hours out in the states, are people really only needing 100 of those hours before taking the CPL? If that is the case what happens with the other hours you don't use?
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The CPL is taken on the single engine PA28, and the syllabus only gives 105 hours flight time. The 15 hours in the procedures trainer (a very basic sim if you like) does not count towards the 100 hours required.
The remainder of the training in the US is on a twin engine PA34, and is the initial part of the training towards the IR.
The remainder of the training in the US is on a twin engine PA34, and is the initial part of the training towards the IR.
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Oat changed the syllabus a year or so ago, so both of you are correct. They used to do the CPL LST in a PA-28R Arrow at 100 hours or so. Now they do it in a PA-34 Seneca at 135 or so. There is no reason Maude should be aware of the change, but I am surprised Squawk VFR does not know his employer's course/fleet history or explain it more courteously if he does. At least he didn't go so far as Tupues and resort to juvenile name calling. 
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By that stage you have the skills necessary to pass. However, anyone can have a bad day. I'm lucky mine was on the 170A and not the IR! Just don't mention my name around a certain 'wide' instructor!
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I stand corrected, wow, things really have changed since I was there.
No more complex single engine work? we got 30+ hours on the arrow prior to converting to the Seneca.
Out of interest, do you get any solo Seneca hours? Also, are the 15 Seneca hours out in Phoenix all VFR? That would leave only 20 flight hours for the IR
. (We got 40). I wonder if the CPL and IR pass rates are affeted?
I know lamenting the loss of the Halcyon Days of yester-year will continue forever, but this does sound like a bit of a backwards step.
No more complex single engine work? we got 30+ hours on the arrow prior to converting to the Seneca.
Out of interest, do you get any solo Seneca hours? Also, are the 15 Seneca hours out in Phoenix all VFR? That would leave only 20 flight hours for the IR
. (We got 40). I wonder if the CPL and IR pass rates are affeted?I know lamenting the loss of the Halcyon Days of yester-year will continue forever, but this does sound like a bit of a backwards step.
