MCC, Where should I do it
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European Aviation in Bournemouth
try http://www.eaac.co.uk/flight_training/mcc_courses.jsp
I did my MCC there and can only say good things about this place. Great value (full motion sim) for money (£2399 incl VAT). The sim experience is definitely going to help with job interviews and is good fun. The guy who runs the course definitely knows his stuff.
By the way in your spare time you can use all the other sims there for free, although motion off if there isn't an instructor around; i.e. you basically get a lot of free FNPT time.
I did my MCC there and can only say good things about this place. Great value (full motion sim) for money (£2399 incl VAT). The sim experience is definitely going to help with job interviews and is good fun. The guy who runs the course definitely knows his stuff.
By the way in your spare time you can use all the other sims there for free, although motion off if there isn't an instructor around; i.e. you basically get a lot of free FNPT time.
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"Anyone who takes the attitude of tick in the box misses the whole point of MCC."
When I originally stated that an MCC is just a tick in the box, I didn't mean from a learning point of view, but from the opinion that the type of sim makes no difference. The whole point of an MCC is to teach just that - Multi Crew Co-operation. Whether a full motion jet sim or a fixed base turbo prop is used is irrelevant. The quality of the teaching and not the aircraft type should be the consideration.
For those that argue a jet sim will help when they later have an interview and sim check, do you all assume you will be gaining your first commercial job on a heavy jet?
The other thing to consider is the time it can take to gain employment after your MCC... you might well have to wait 6 months, a year or even longer before getting that first break - just how useful will that long forgotten MCC be then?
Anyway, just my thoughts...
For the record I did my MCC at London Met (excellent course BTW) and then when I did eventually get a sim check, 20 months later, I used the guys at Jetlinx for some specific practice, flying the profiles that comprised my sim assessment.
When I originally stated that an MCC is just a tick in the box, I didn't mean from a learning point of view, but from the opinion that the type of sim makes no difference. The whole point of an MCC is to teach just that - Multi Crew Co-operation. Whether a full motion jet sim or a fixed base turbo prop is used is irrelevant. The quality of the teaching and not the aircraft type should be the consideration.
For those that argue a jet sim will help when they later have an interview and sim check, do you all assume you will be gaining your first commercial job on a heavy jet?
The other thing to consider is the time it can take to gain employment after your MCC... you might well have to wait 6 months, a year or even longer before getting that first break - just how useful will that long forgotten MCC be then?
Anyway, just my thoughts...
For the record I did my MCC at London Met (excellent course BTW) and then when I did eventually get a sim check, 20 months later, I used the guys at Jetlinx for some specific practice, flying the profiles that comprised my sim assessment.
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Given that the recommendation was unsolicited (and therefore all the more relevant!) it's hardly appropriate to expect the company that receives the recommendation to pay! Would you like all such recommendations removed from the Wanabees forum? If so, it's will wipe out a great many of the posts!
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Did mine at London Met in the B200 sim. Excellent value (£2k earlier this year) and a good intro. to multi-crew ops. which is what it is all about really. If you want to practice flying a jet, save yourself a lot of money and buy Microsoft Flightsim!
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just completed MCC at European Aviation where they use a full motion Tristar sim (soon to be replaced with 737-200).
Access to the sim must be second to none and we were often in there until 9:30 and beyond (although not full motion once the instructors have gone home, or any motion come to that).
At £2400 it's got to be one of the cheapest too.
...and Angela on reception is a hotty.
Access to the sim must be second to none and we were often in there until 9:30 and beyond (although not full motion once the instructors have gone home, or any motion come to that).
At £2400 it's got to be one of the cheapest too.
...and Angela on reception is a hotty.
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I'll echo what BellyAir said....
I've just done my MCC at European in Bournemouth on the Tristar. People say it doesnt matter what sim you do it on, but a full motion jet sim is good fun after the stresses of the CPL/IR.
The instruction's very good and you get free reign on the sim at night, with motion off, as long as an engineer's around.
I'd recommend it to anyone considering where to do the MCC
Plus its the cheapest on the airfield. Bonus!
I've just done my MCC at European in Bournemouth on the Tristar. People say it doesnt matter what sim you do it on, but a full motion jet sim is good fun after the stresses of the CPL/IR.
The instruction's very good and you get free reign on the sim at night, with motion off, as long as an engineer's around.
I'd recommend it to anyone considering where to do the MCC
Plus its the cheapest on the airfield. Bonus!
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I agree to a certain extent with what's being said about MCC being a tick in the box (which on some application forms, it actually is), but for £2400 the European course isn't expensive, and for 20hrs full motion Tristar action I think it's good value.
Of course the Multi-Crew perspective is the most important, but surely that's never going to be taught to a poor standard is it? It should be a given on an MCC that you'll come away from it more multi-crew minded, and if you don't the CAA need to look at the course!
So maybe the type of equipment you'll be using should be the deciding factor, alongside budget of course! The realisation of how different a big jet can be, managing the energy levels during approach, descent planning, is a long way more useful than bombing round in a big Seneca FNPT2 for £2k.
Your call but I know where i'd go again.
Of course the Multi-Crew perspective is the most important, but surely that's never going to be taught to a poor standard is it? It should be a given on an MCC that you'll come away from it more multi-crew minded, and if you don't the CAA need to look at the course!
So maybe the type of equipment you'll be using should be the deciding factor, alongside budget of course! The realisation of how different a big jet can be, managing the energy levels during approach, descent planning, is a long way more useful than bombing round in a big Seneca FNPT2 for £2k.
Your call but I know where i'd go again.
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Yep,
I'd have to agree with the last few posts. I did mine at European in Bournemouth a couple of months ago. Good instructor, reasonable value, full-motion sim, and actually had fun! ... Such a relief after all the CPL/IR stress.
And the best bit was the extra free time in the evenings alone in the sim. So you can practice to your hearts content all that raw data flying that seem to be popular at assesments
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I'd have to agree with the last few posts. I did mine at European in Bournemouth a couple of months ago. Good instructor, reasonable value, full-motion sim, and actually had fun! ... Such a relief after all the CPL/IR stress.
And the best bit was the extra free time in the evenings alone in the sim. So you can practice to your hearts content all that raw data flying that seem to be popular at assesments
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I've just finished the MCC with European and its great value for money. The course costs 2400 but not only do you get the MCC course which is well taught in itself but you get to spend all evening in it free of charge!!(without an instructor and with the motion off) Good oppurtunity to do some hand flying...
