MCC, Where should I do it
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MCC, Where should I do it
Just finished the CPL and all that good stuff, need to do my MCC now, where is good value at the moment? or should I pay more for a recognised place??
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An argument as old as the hills. It may help you pass a sim ride if you go for something fancy, but it is also a tick in the box. I'm going the cheap route as I am fast running out of cash 
(but the Halfpenny Green one doesn't look half bad having browsed the course manual) .
(but the Halfpenny Green one doesn't look half bad having browsed the course manual) .
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I did mine with Halfpenny green - it was great fun! On my first type rating (Jet) they commented on how good my MCC skills were - PS my employer didn't give a stuff what the hell I did it on just that I had one.
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Like others have said it's down to personal choice. Your learning techniques for operating in a dual pilot environment nothing more. That's not to say the course can't take in other pertinent points though.
I've chosen a provider that does the course on a heavy jet. Not only as a 'reward' for my hard slog during CPL IR, but also as it includes an element of JOC and is extended with some LOFT (Line Oriented Flying Training) thrown in as well, and as a bonus the opportunity to hand fly a bit.
People will harp on about just the tick in the box, but if prior to interview you have to shell out £500 for some sim lessons on type anyway, it's 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. You'll end up paying either way
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I've chosen a provider that does the course on a heavy jet. Not only as a 'reward' for my hard slog during CPL IR, but also as it includes an element of JOC and is extended with some LOFT (Line Oriented Flying Training) thrown in as well, and as a bonus the opportunity to hand fly a bit.
People will harp on about just the tick in the box, but if prior to interview you have to shell out £500 for some sim lessons on type anyway, it's 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. You'll end up paying either way
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Consider Ardex flightschool just outside Berlin. Course in English, 2160 Euro, and nice housing and restaurant in same building.
Instructors from Lufthansa, and Air Berlin.
It took me 5 days. I was looking for a good price, and I got it
Instructors from Lufthansa, and Air Berlin.
It took me 5 days. I was looking for a good price, and I got it
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People will harp on about just the tick in the box, but if prior to interview you have to shell out £500 for some sim lessons on type anyway, it's 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. You'll end up paying either way
And yes it is just a tick in the box as well.
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Agreed with NCM
The MCC can be more than just a tick in the box, those who think that is all it is "can" be one step behind, for example, I did my MCC on a certain type, I then had a sim assessment with an airline on that very sim, suffice to say I got the job. Did the 25hrs on the MCC help with the assessment? you bet it did.
I also did the MCC with the CFI from my training organisation, and we were both in agreement that we would not have got as much out the course had we done it in an FNPTII, again this is just our opinion, but personally I think it's valid.
If funds are very tight (and they usually are after the CPL/IR) then yes you may have to do it "as cheap as possible". But if you have some spare cash I would definitely go for something more aircraft specific dependant on what type of job you are after.
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The MCC can be more than just a tick in the box, those who think that is all it is "can" be one step behind, for example, I did my MCC on a certain type, I then had a sim assessment with an airline on that very sim, suffice to say I got the job. Did the 25hrs on the MCC help with the assessment? you bet it did.
I also did the MCC with the CFI from my training organisation, and we were both in agreement that we would not have got as much out the course had we done it in an FNPTII, again this is just our opinion, but personally I think it's valid.
If funds are very tight (and they usually are after the CPL/IR) then yes you may have to do it "as cheap as possible". But if you have some spare cash I would definitely go for something more aircraft specific dependant on what type of job you are after.
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Did mine at European Aviation, Bournemouth, and can wholeheartedly recommend it. Good sim, the tristar, cheap 2400 If i remember right, dont think ull get a mcc on a full motion jet sim for that price anywhere else, and had a good laugh as well as learning a lot!
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The fact that some people here used the MCC as a place to practice hand flying and learn jet operations just proves the point that its a duff course. The whole point of the exercise is to learn about CRM and working together in a Multi Crew aircraft apparently (not flying under bridges and stall turning A320's).
I'm not disagreeing with Deano777 or No Country Members that it could be beneficial to some people, my point is that that's not really the point of an MCC course. Also, you may find that quite a few smaller airlines will sim check you on an FNPTII anyway.
You pays yer' money and yer' takes your choice I guess, if you can afford it then do a Level D sim MCC otherwise just do a cheapy...you will NOT be disadvantaged in the slightest from a recruitment point of view.
EGCC4284 I think you will find that most companies have to pay to advertise on PPRuNe
I'm not disagreeing with Deano777 or No Country Members that it could be beneficial to some people, my point is that that's not really the point of an MCC course. Also, you may find that quite a few smaller airlines will sim check you on an FNPTII anyway.
You pays yer' money and yer' takes your choice I guess, if you can afford it then do a Level D sim MCC otherwise just do a cheapy...you will NOT be disadvantaged in the slightest from a recruitment point of view.
EGCC4284 I think you will find that most companies have to pay to advertise on PPRuNe
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Whilst the MCC is about the multi crew aspect you still have to fly the sim, you still fly routes, you still fly ILS' and non precision approaches (well, we did anyway), and you still deal with the emergencies, we did alot of hand flying on it which obviously meant we got used to how it feels and reacts. Had I done the MCC on an FNPTII I would have been in for a shock on the assessment.
The comments about the airlines not giving a stuff where you did the MCC are correct, but if you are wise you can get more out the course than just the MCC.
Whilst the MCC is about the multi crew aspect you still have to fly the sim, you still fly routes, you still fly ILS' and non precision approaches (well, we did anyway), and you still deal with the emergencies, we did alot of hand flying on it which obviously meant we got used to how it feels and reacts. Had I done the MCC on an FNPTII I would have been in for a shock on the assessment.
The comments about the airlines not giving a stuff where you did the MCC are correct, but if you are wise you can get more out the course than just the MCC.
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I just done my MCC at London MET University, have to say it was great, learnt a lot. Sim was a BE 200, I don't subscribe to the tick in the box brigade or that it has to be done in a all singing all dancing sim. But where ever you go do the work before you arrive (see my post MCC) Anyone who takes the attiude of tick in the box misses the whole point of MCC. Good Luck
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MP - I think you'll find that EGCC4248 has no connection to the company in question except, perhaps as a satisfied customer
Deano777 I'm glad to hear that you got so much out of your MCC (and congrats on the job too) but my view is that MCC courses are pretty unnessesary because the theory aspects are covered by the airline you work for and practical aspects are covered by the type rating. My personal feeling is that most courses seem to be run by guys so out of touch with modern CRM that its absolutly pointless anyway! As I said, from an employment point of view it IS a tick in the box.