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Sad news, I hope the pilot will pull through without any longterm injuries.
Adrian acted professional, you cant comment on an incident like this until you know the FACTS yourself! which I guess he doesnt until the FAA have completed the investigation.
Adrian acted professional, you cant comment on an incident like this until you know the FACTS yourself! which I guess he doesnt until the FAA have completed the investigation.
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Let's hope the fella gets well soon 
I disgaree Davey, maybe something along the lines of..............
"We are in the process of contacting the students family, we obviously have our thoughts with Mr.... and hope he makes a speedy recovery. We will be assisting the FAA to explain how this accident happened etc."
Although, it's very easy to say that sitting behind a PC. To be the owner of an aircraft that crashes, or the instructor of a student that crashes must be a horrible feeling.
I disgaree Davey, maybe something along the lines of..............
"We are in the process of contacting the students family, we obviously have our thoughts with Mr.... and hope he makes a speedy recovery. We will be assisting the FAA to explain how this accident happened etc."
Although, it's very easy to say that sitting behind a PC. To be the owner of an aircraft that crashes, or the instructor of a student that crashes must be a horrible feeling.
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I disgaree Davey, maybe something along the lines of..............
"We are in the process of contacting the students family, we obviously have our thoughts with Mr.... and hope he makes a speedy recovery. We will be assisting the FAA to explain how this accident happened etc."
"We are in the process of contacting the students family, we obviously have our thoughts with Mr.... and hope he makes a speedy recovery. We will be assisting the FAA to explain how this accident happened etc."
Thats all I meant by that he acted professional, he'll probably provide a press release in the near future.
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I would agree 110% with Adrians comments, You can't trust the press, they are a lying sneaky bunch of two faced f**ks who would sell thier family for a story and twist anything you say to make it what they want 
......, I hope everyone noticed the typical hyping up of "the plane PLUMMETED into the airport" 
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Speedy recovery to the pilot, having myself learnt at OBA, all I can say from my experience is that the aircraft were maintained superbly, and snags were fixed asap.
Flight training is a risky business, as you can have the best instructors in the world, but a solo student is a solo STUDENT, I think most people who have learnt to fly a plane have had a few scary moments....with various outcomes.. Hopefully the guy will make a speedy recovery, lets leave the investigation to the pros.
......, I hope everyone noticed the typical hyping up of "the plane PLUMMETED into the airport" ....Speedy recovery to the pilot, having myself learnt at OBA, all I can say from my experience is that the aircraft were maintained superbly, and snags were fixed asap.
Flight training is a risky business, as you can have the best instructors in the world, but a solo student is a solo STUDENT, I think most people who have learnt to fly a plane have had a few scary moments....with various outcomes.. Hopefully the guy will make a speedy recovery, lets leave the investigation to the pros.
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I hope this Guy is ok, During my time in OBA the General census was that the Liberty was a Difficult aircraft to land, I heard of a few near incidents while there and I believe this is the Second Liberty to crash, A previous incident saw one Balloon, Stall and on touch down the landing gear collapsed... So maybe the old reliable Cessnas should not be phased out.....
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this is the Second Liberty to crash
July 31st 2006: http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_i...06LA102&akey=1
Feb 21st 2007: http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id...14X00288&key=1
Other accidents at OBA:
May 16 2006: http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_i...06CA111&akey=1
June 4 2004:
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_i...02LA105&akey=1
Feb 25 2002:
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_i...02LA053&akey=1
Sept 5 2001:
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_i...01LA230&akey=1
That's 7 in 6 years.
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With the amount of flying thet goes on at OBA, statistically I would say that is a very low incident rate. They have many, many aircraft each with a high daily utilisation. If you compare that to a flight school with one C152, which gets flown 8 hours a week I think the statistics will show OBA has a very low incident rate. (note: this is just my opinion, I don't know if the stats will support this or not).
I am pleased that this thread has not veered off into unsubstantiated speculation.
As a flying instructor I have had the terrible experience of sending off a student solo who subsequently crashed. Its a most unpleasant experience. But it has happened from the very first year that aviation came into being.
My thoughts are with the student and the instructor.
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As a flying instructor I have had the terrible experience of sending off a student solo who subsequently crashed. Its a most unpleasant experience. But it has happened from the very first year that aviation came into being.
My thoughts are with the student and the instructor.
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All aircraft bite
Firstly,
With the thoughts of the rest of you - I hope the pilot is ok and gets back into the air soon - please god.
Personally, I beleive that in training we sometimes forget "aircraft bite". Some more spectacurly than others. Recently, I moved to a new type - now unlike the Liberty and it's stall charachteristics are interesting. However, on hour 1, I was taken up, shown the simple side of the stall and the not so simple side. So in reality, in the early stages of your training you simply may not have enough experience to be able to jump 100% to whatever the aircraft or the environment throws at you! Or in later times for that matter. And perhaps that is why we need to keep an eye or our currency.
Finally, I did some training with OBA back in December and I have to say I found them as good as any training organisation I've been with over the years. Like some of the others I will say any technical query with an a/c was sorted there and then and on this point I was really impressed.
Safety will always be an issue and we have always got to be vigilant, flying is fun but it has it's serious side too.
Cheerio
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With the thoughts of the rest of you - I hope the pilot is ok and gets back into the air soon - please god.
Personally, I beleive that in training we sometimes forget "aircraft bite". Some more spectacurly than others. Recently, I moved to a new type - now unlike the Liberty and it's stall charachteristics are interesting. However, on hour 1, I was taken up, shown the simple side of the stall and the not so simple side. So in reality, in the early stages of your training you simply may not have enough experience to be able to jump 100% to whatever the aircraft or the environment throws at you! Or in later times for that matter. And perhaps that is why we need to keep an eye or our currency.
Finally, I did some training with OBA back in December and I have to say I found them as good as any training organisation I've been with over the years. Like some of the others I will say any technical query with an a/c was sorted there and then and on this point I was really impressed.
Safety will always be an issue and we have always got to be vigilant, flying is fun but it has it's serious side too.
Cheerio
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OK let's do this:
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2007/ARG0701.pdf
http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/topics/gatrend.pdf
http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications...tructional.pdf
Come to your own conclusions.
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2007/ARG0701.pdf
http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/topics/gatrend.pdf
http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications...tructional.pdf
Come to your own conclusions.
Jabi, thank you.
Provide whatever data that you want and let people make their own decision.
Personally I owe no sympathy to OBA and Adrian..
But I won't tolerate libelous posts here.
Keep it specific, keep it true, keep it defensible and then you can post away with my blessing.
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Provide whatever data that you want and let people make their own decision.
Personally I owe no sympathy to OBA and Adrian..
But I won't tolerate libelous posts here.
Keep it specific, keep it true, keep it defensible and then you can post away with my blessing.
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