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Hi there PWP,
I'm slightly worried by your post. I do not mean to sound patronising (not my intention at all) but I feel you need to think hard about your career choices before you decide upon anything.
Do you really want to be in the RAF? You are effectively putting your life on the line. If this does not put you off - great. IMHO the RAF is one of the most fantastic organisations in the world and presents its employees with great career opportunities. But be realistic about why you are there - to fight and protect, and you will potentially be putting your life in danger.
My real point is that you should not go into the RAF in order to gain qualifications. This is missing the point. You should go into the RAF because you believe your country is worth protecting, and because you want to be part of a team. Job satisfaction and academic qualifications are all there down the line - but they are secondary to your job.
Enough of my polemic. Moving on to more mundane matters. Do you really want to leave school/college with no A-levels? It may not seem like much fun now, but having those little pieces of paper opens a whole new world of opportunity. You could go on to university from there, or after A-levels you may have already definitely found your vocation.
It may be worth thinking of going into higher education. Think about what a degree could do for your job prospects. Furthermore university is a great place in which to develop and mature in a 'safe' environment, and it need not be expensive. Just think about it - but you will need those A-levels to get there!
Here's what I did, and maybe it'll help you decide what you want to do, which is the most important factor at the end of the day:
Did A-levels (hard work because I wasn't that motivated, and I'm not academic!)
Was persuaded by a RAF careers liaison officer that I should not go directly into the RAF, but should go to uni and apply for sponsorship (now there's a thought!)
Went to university (had a great time. Met loads of people, got a good degree, more importantly met my fiancee. And also got a University Bursary to go into the RAF Regiment. Got paid to go to uni and drink beer - wasn't too good at the latter, but I tried!)
******ed my knees playing football. Ouch. Got discharged from the RAF. S**t!
But with a shiny new degree got a job in London! (Herein lie two extra morals: 1) Academic qualifications - most notably A-levels and/or a degree - make life a lot easier when certain avenues are closed to you. 2) Don't rush into a job because it sounds good (in my case consultancy - it sucks! Hence my late-night surfing on pprune!).
Hope this helps, and good luck!
I'm slightly worried by your post. I do not mean to sound patronising (not my intention at all) but I feel you need to think hard about your career choices before you decide upon anything.
Do you really want to be in the RAF? You are effectively putting your life on the line. If this does not put you off - great. IMHO the RAF is one of the most fantastic organisations in the world and presents its employees with great career opportunities. But be realistic about why you are there - to fight and protect, and you will potentially be putting your life in danger.
My real point is that you should not go into the RAF in order to gain qualifications. This is missing the point. You should go into the RAF because you believe your country is worth protecting, and because you want to be part of a team. Job satisfaction and academic qualifications are all there down the line - but they are secondary to your job.
Enough of my polemic. Moving on to more mundane matters. Do you really want to leave school/college with no A-levels? It may not seem like much fun now, but having those little pieces of paper opens a whole new world of opportunity. You could go on to university from there, or after A-levels you may have already definitely found your vocation.
It may be worth thinking of going into higher education. Think about what a degree could do for your job prospects. Furthermore university is a great place in which to develop and mature in a 'safe' environment, and it need not be expensive. Just think about it - but you will need those A-levels to get there!
Here's what I did, and maybe it'll help you decide what you want to do, which is the most important factor at the end of the day:
Did A-levels (hard work because I wasn't that motivated, and I'm not academic!)
Was persuaded by a RAF careers liaison officer that I should not go directly into the RAF, but should go to uni and apply for sponsorship (now there's a thought!)
Went to university (had a great time. Met loads of people, got a good degree, more importantly met my fiancee. And also got a University Bursary to go into the RAF Regiment. Got paid to go to uni and drink beer - wasn't too good at the latter, but I tried!)
******ed my knees playing football. Ouch. Got discharged from the RAF. S**t!
But with a shiny new degree got a job in London! (Herein lie two extra morals: 1) Academic qualifications - most notably A-levels and/or a degree - make life a lot easier when certain avenues are closed to you. 2) Don't rush into a job because it sounds good (in my case consultancy - it sucks! Hence my late-night surfing on pprune!).
Hope this helps, and good luck!
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piperpilot,
get some a levels, it cannot help and also proves you can study and absorb knowledge at a higher level;also gives you a shot at the BA sponsorship and many others,and it will give you some thinking time.
i went into the airforce (briefly) as i was offered a non flying officer role when they decided my eyesight wasn't up to fast jets.I would advise against this:if your heart is set on being a pilot you will always be frustrated looking at the aircraft:a bit like being at a wedding and always being the best man, never the groom......!
And the airforce demands 110%, if your heart really isn't in it you will get found out fast.
If i was you I would A)get A levels, preferably in science then B)have a go at all sponsorship options or B1)try and join the air force to fly (bearing in mind you have a chance of dying there)
then C)if neither works look to get a reasonably well paid job and sponsor yourself.
Just my opinion of course.....
get some a levels, it cannot help and also proves you can study and absorb knowledge at a higher level;also gives you a shot at the BA sponsorship and many others,and it will give you some thinking time.
i went into the airforce (briefly) as i was offered a non flying officer role when they decided my eyesight wasn't up to fast jets.I would advise against this:if your heart is set on being a pilot you will always be frustrated looking at the aircraft:a bit like being at a wedding and always being the best man, never the groom......!
And the airforce demands 110%, if your heart really isn't in it you will get found out fast.
If i was you I would A)get A levels, preferably in science then B)have a go at all sponsorship options or B1)try and join the air force to fly (bearing in mind you have a chance of dying there)
then C)if neither works look to get a reasonably well paid job and sponsor yourself.
Just my opinion of course.....
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Here's My Plan
The Plan!
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Why?
Right, I have an ambition to be go semi-pro, i.e. weekend instructing. This will improve my piloting, improve chances and fun and I like to teach. However, if after a few thousand hours, this leads indirectly to a rhs seat on a 73, then so much the better!
Money?
Well, what with the lack of flying, christmas bonus and not-so-good pay increase, I am saving money at a heck of a rate.
So, here's my plan. In the interests of peer review, I'd be interested in your thoughts and ideas.
Medical
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Number one priority is a Class One medical. I hold a Class Two btw.
budget - £200?
ATPL Ground school
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Full-time or distance learning? I'm lucky to live a 10 minute drive from Coventry Airport. This gives me a choice in either camp. Namely full-time at ATA, or a DL course at Atlantic Flight Training.
The DL/FT debate boils down to this. Can I afford to take six months off work? On the other hand, will I have enough study time if I keep working (I hold a job that utilises very little time). Yet, a FT course will ultimately offers better tuition, support and understanding hence a better chance of passing.
Gut feeling is that DL is better. Course is cheaper. Continued employment saves more money. Here I would be interested to know the quality of the course material for Atlantic, say compared to Oxford AT or Bristol.
Typically for a DL ATPL, how may hours a week of study is required?
One purely political point is with my employer. DL school requires 4 weeks off. I get 3 weeks leave entitlement. For the extra week, I would have to be honest and admit why. They will give it to me but will twig this. When I proceed onto the practical courses, I shall have to leave the company. I'm worried how they will take this*.
*personally speaking, if I didn't work for two months, they wouldn't really be over-stretched - perhaps a bargaining chip to use?
Budget - £2000
Time - 6 months
Build Hours
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Need 50. I know two owners who will let me fly for £50pcm, £50/hr.
Budget - £2600, plus (problem!) 1-2 weeks off
or do as-and-when.
Practical courses
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Here, I should at around forthcoming Nov-Jan period. A Florida course doesn't necessarily save you an awful lot of cash, but offers plenty of good wx.
I see European FT in FL offer discounted courses (approx prices).
#1. CPL (A), MEP, FI(R) - £7,350
#2. CPL (A), MEP, FI(R), IR(A) - £15,385
Now, IR is not a requirement is my book, but nice to have, esp. with cash in el pockey. Also overcomes ATPL expiry problem.
I'm adding a good min. 30% for costs and retests.
Case 1
Budget - £10,000/ 6 weeks
Case 2
£20000 / 10 weeks
*I may also take the 2-week conversions to FAA.
After
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Find new IT job. Save. Let funds recover. Instruct weekends. Worry about currency
So whaddya think?
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Why?
Right, I have an ambition to be go semi-pro, i.e. weekend instructing. This will improve my piloting, improve chances and fun and I like to teach. However, if after a few thousand hours, this leads indirectly to a rhs seat on a 73, then so much the better!
Money?
Well, what with the lack of flying, christmas bonus and not-so-good pay increase, I am saving money at a heck of a rate.
So, here's my plan. In the interests of peer review, I'd be interested in your thoughts and ideas.
Medical
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Number one priority is a Class One medical. I hold a Class Two btw.
budget - £200?
ATPL Ground school
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Full-time or distance learning? I'm lucky to live a 10 minute drive from Coventry Airport. This gives me a choice in either camp. Namely full-time at ATA, or a DL course at Atlantic Flight Training.
The DL/FT debate boils down to this. Can I afford to take six months off work? On the other hand, will I have enough study time if I keep working (I hold a job that utilises very little time). Yet, a FT course will ultimately offers better tuition, support and understanding hence a better chance of passing.
Gut feeling is that DL is better. Course is cheaper. Continued employment saves more money. Here I would be interested to know the quality of the course material for Atlantic, say compared to Oxford AT or Bristol.
Typically for a DL ATPL, how may hours a week of study is required?
One purely political point is with my employer. DL school requires 4 weeks off. I get 3 weeks leave entitlement. For the extra week, I would have to be honest and admit why. They will give it to me but will twig this. When I proceed onto the practical courses, I shall have to leave the company. I'm worried how they will take this*.
*personally speaking, if I didn't work for two months, they wouldn't really be over-stretched - perhaps a bargaining chip to use?
Budget - £2000
Time - 6 months
Build Hours
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Need 50. I know two owners who will let me fly for £50pcm, £50/hr.
Budget - £2600, plus (problem!) 1-2 weeks off
or do as-and-when.Practical courses
============
Here, I should at around forthcoming Nov-Jan period. A Florida course doesn't necessarily save you an awful lot of cash, but offers plenty of good wx.
I see European FT in FL offer discounted courses (approx prices).
#1. CPL (A), MEP, FI(R) - £7,350
#2. CPL (A), MEP, FI(R), IR(A) - £15,385
Now, IR is not a requirement is my book, but nice to have, esp. with cash in el pockey. Also overcomes ATPL expiry problem.
I'm adding a good min. 30% for costs and retests.
Case 1
Budget - £10,000/ 6 weeks
Case 2
£20000 / 10 weeks
*I may also take the 2-week conversions to FAA.
After
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Find new IT job. Save. Let funds recover. Instruct weekends. Worry about currency
So whaddya think?
Why do it if it's not fun?
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Not a bad plan. A few comments though.
Initial class 1 medicals cost £400 when I did mine - so a little more than you budgeted.
Ground school - you are quite right in all your assumptions. The only thing you've got wrong, I think, is to concentrate on Conventry for distance learning. If you are forced to go the distance learning route, then one of the advantages of this route is that it doesn't matter where the school is located - it's distance learning!
Most distance learning courses will require 6 weeks off work - two weeks for the brush-up, one week for the exams, all multiplied by two because you have to do that for each module. If time off work is a real problem, look at LGU - you can get away with 3 weeks off with their course (one week brush-up and two days for the exams, for each module). Consider why no one else does the brush-up in this space of time if you look into this option though. Another option is to do module 1 this year, and module 2 next year, thus spreading your time off across two holiday years.
As for which ground school is best (it's not just the quality of the course material which counts, there are other factors - but that's being discussed on a couple of other threads at the moment so I won't go into details here), only you can decide that, because only you know what suits you best. Look at all of the schools, and make up your own mind.
You asked how long to spend on a distance learning course each week. How long is a piece of string? If you work full-time on your studies, you'll be able to pass the exams in a similar length of time to the residential course. If you can only spare a couple of hours a week, it'll take much longer. I usually spend around 15 hours a week, and it will have taken me exactly 12 months assuming I pass all my Mod 2 exams in Feb.
Have you got an IMC rating? I'd imagine that would be useful for flight instructing if you don't have an IR - it'll let you teach above a cloud layer, and you can even do some real IMC work for the instrument appreciation part of the course. Plus you'll be able to teach the IMC course later on, with more training.
Hour-building... if you only need 50 hours, then why not just fly at weekends? Since you say it will take you the best part of a year before you're ready to do the CPL, if you fly 2 hours a week you should make the minimums easilly, even allowing for the British weather.
Good luck!
FFF
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Initial class 1 medicals cost £400 when I did mine - so a little more than you budgeted.
Ground school - you are quite right in all your assumptions. The only thing you've got wrong, I think, is to concentrate on Conventry for distance learning. If you are forced to go the distance learning route, then one of the advantages of this route is that it doesn't matter where the school is located - it's distance learning!
Most distance learning courses will require 6 weeks off work - two weeks for the brush-up, one week for the exams, all multiplied by two because you have to do that for each module. If time off work is a real problem, look at LGU - you can get away with 3 weeks off with their course (one week brush-up and two days for the exams, for each module). Consider why no one else does the brush-up in this space of time if you look into this option though. Another option is to do module 1 this year, and module 2 next year, thus spreading your time off across two holiday years.
As for which ground school is best (it's not just the quality of the course material which counts, there are other factors - but that's being discussed on a couple of other threads at the moment so I won't go into details here), only you can decide that, because only you know what suits you best. Look at all of the schools, and make up your own mind.
You asked how long to spend on a distance learning course each week. How long is a piece of string? If you work full-time on your studies, you'll be able to pass the exams in a similar length of time to the residential course. If you can only spare a couple of hours a week, it'll take much longer. I usually spend around 15 hours a week, and it will have taken me exactly 12 months assuming I pass all my Mod 2 exams in Feb.
Have you got an IMC rating? I'd imagine that would be useful for flight instructing if you don't have an IR - it'll let you teach above a cloud layer, and you can even do some real IMC work for the instrument appreciation part of the course. Plus you'll be able to teach the IMC course later on, with more training.
Hour-building... if you only need 50 hours, then why not just fly at weekends? Since you say it will take you the best part of a year before you're ready to do the CPL, if you fly 2 hours a week you should make the minimums easilly, even allowing for the British weather.
Good luck!
FFF
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Class One costs £400. Budget £450 - you need to travel there.
ATPL ground school. £2000 budget accurate. Time factor should be more like 12 months.
In terms of your leave requirements - you say you get a total of 21 days. Bristol have 2x2 week brush ups and say 3 days for exams after each brush up. I plan to take brush up & exams one from this years holiday entitlement. Then brush up & exams two from next years - this leaves plenty of holiday left to take a break from it all - rest is important. Plus you don't have to admit to work that you intend to leave in 12-18months hence miss out on a pay rise!
Remember the CAA charge £700 to sit the ATPL exams. Also budget for the brush up course & exam time.
Hour building - looks good providing you only need an extra 50hrs to take you to 150 total time.
For the CPL/IR, I believe that if your going to fly in the UK, train in the UK. Others may disagree. Therefore budget a CPL/IR/FI of £20-£22k for UK training.
If you don't want an IR then less 10k off that figure. It might be worthwhile taking an IMC as the last post mentioned, or a Single Engine IR to save some cash. South africa is pretty cheap as another alternative - there are some JAA approved schools down there.
Add a good contingency on top of this.
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ATPL ground school. £2000 budget accurate. Time factor should be more like 12 months.
In terms of your leave requirements - you say you get a total of 21 days. Bristol have 2x2 week brush ups and say 3 days for exams after each brush up. I plan to take brush up & exams one from this years holiday entitlement. Then brush up & exams two from next years - this leaves plenty of holiday left to take a break from it all - rest is important. Plus you don't have to admit to work that you intend to leave in 12-18months hence miss out on a pay rise!
Remember the CAA charge £700 to sit the ATPL exams. Also budget for the brush up course & exam time.
Hour building - looks good providing you only need an extra 50hrs to take you to 150 total time.
For the CPL/IR, I believe that if your going to fly in the UK, train in the UK. Others may disagree. Therefore budget a CPL/IR/FI of £20-£22k for UK training.
If you don't want an IR then less 10k off that figure. It might be worthwhile taking an IMC as the last post mentioned, or a Single Engine IR to save some cash. South africa is pretty cheap as another alternative - there are some JAA approved schools down there.
Add a good contingency on top of this.
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Bodie,
You say that Bristol "say 3 days for exams after each brush up." Where did you get this from? The exams are spread over 4 days - Monday to Thursday. You could possibly get away with taking just 3 days off work if you take 1/2 days on those days when you've only got a morning exam, for example... but I wouldn't recommend it. And you'll probably need the Friday off work to recover from the anxiety, too! (LGU do all the Monday/Tuesday exams in Mod 1, and all the Wednesday/Thursday exams in Mod 2, I think, which is why you need less time off for the exams with them than with anyone else.)
I think BlueRobin already has quite a few hours, which is why he only needs 50 more to meet the requirements???
Apart from that, I agree with everything you say - apart from the training in the UK bit, which is open for debate.
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You say that Bristol "say 3 days for exams after each brush up." Where did you get this from? The exams are spread over 4 days - Monday to Thursday. You could possibly get away with taking just 3 days off work if you take 1/2 days on those days when you've only got a morning exam, for example... but I wouldn't recommend it. And you'll probably need the Friday off work to recover from the anxiety, too!
(LGU do all the Monday/Tuesday exams in Mod 1, and all the Wednesday/Thursday exams in Mod 2, I think, which is why you need less time off for the exams with them than with anyone else.)I think BlueRobin already has quite a few hours, which is why he only needs 50 more to meet the requirements???
Apart from that, I agree with everything you say - apart from the training in the UK bit, which is open for debate.
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Hi FlyingForFun
I reconed that it was about 3 days for exams, but if youre telling me its more then I'll happiliy agree- reduces some stress for me!
As for the hour building thing, I've reconsidered & updated my post since.
As for the UK training - if he's only planning on instructing then going abroad is probably fine - hence I suggested Sth Africa.
Cheers
Bodie
I reconed that it was about 3 days for exams, but if youre telling me its more then I'll happiliy agree- reduces some stress for me!
As for the hour building thing, I've reconsidered & updated my post since.
As for the UK training - if he's only planning on instructing then going abroad is probably fine - hence I suggested Sth Africa.
Cheers
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try http://www.ftc-sa.com/
You could have a CPL/IMC/Multi/FI(R) for just under £10k.
No JAA IR listed tho
You could have a CPL/IMC/Multi/FI(R) for just under £10k.
No JAA IR listed tho
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I don't believe there's anyone in SA who can do JAR CPL training any more, unfortunately. The last school (I think it was FTC) had their approval removed not too long ago.
I'm still hoping to find an excuse to get out there and do some flying myself, though.
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I'm still hoping to find an excuse to get out there and do some flying myself, though.
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I reckon this is the best piece of advice I can offer (and I think most will agree this is true) : What ever your final budget is add 15-20 %.
Don't plan everything on minimums i.e passing IR in 50 hours, or PPL in 45 hours etc. Add 10% or somthing to the minimums.
Remember schools, FBO's etc will usually quote price for the mins.... or not include VAT, or not include skill test fees or something !! Remember also too that US prices are always quoted pre-tax.
Don't plan everything on minimums i.e passing IR in 50 hours, or PPL in 45 hours etc. Add 10% or somthing to the minimums.
Remember schools, FBO's etc will usually quote price for the mins.... or not include VAT, or not include skill test fees or something !! Remember also too that US prices are always quoted pre-tax.
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Is my plan realistic? HELP REQUIRED!
I am currently 17 and finishing my "A" Levels. I intend on enrolling with European Flight Training in Florida on their Professional Pilot Course. (I'll be 18 before I start). Before enrolling I would have earned my PPL which would reduce the final cost down of this integrated course.
I will take out an unsecured student loan from HSBC of roughly £24000. The rest of the course my parents have agreed to pay!
As you might know, upon graduation one becomes a flight instructor earning up to 1500hrs.
This will take me up to 20 years old. When I will return to the UK and take the Cranfield College of Aeronautics "preliminary year" and then Postgraduate MSc Air Transport Management degree, (ONLy lasts a year!). And to keep current in flying I could perhaps instruct FREelance??
I should be done by 21 years old with a large debt, however with more parental support and a job in the industry, I could overcome the large sum over some years. Throughout this time, I will of course try my luck with many different types of flying jobs available.
I really would appreciate any replies PLEASE!
Thankyou very much
John
I will take out an unsecured student loan from HSBC of roughly £24000. The rest of the course my parents have agreed to pay!
As you might know, upon graduation one becomes a flight instructor earning up to 1500hrs.
This will take me up to 20 years old. When I will return to the UK and take the Cranfield College of Aeronautics "preliminary year" and then Postgraduate MSc Air Transport Management degree, (ONLy lasts a year!). And to keep current in flying I could perhaps instruct FREelance??
I should be done by 21 years old with a large debt, however with more parental support and a job in the industry, I could overcome the large sum over some years. Throughout this time, I will of course try my luck with many different types of flying jobs available.
I really would appreciate any replies PLEASE!
Thankyou very much
John
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Hello Speedbird744/John
Your plan seems solid enough and your research is somewhat better than many people of your age. Also, may I say that you are very fortunate to have such supporting patents.
I would research more in to the unsecured loan, perhaps by talking to the HSBC and seeing if they would actually be willing to provide one - they will want some idea of how you intend to pay this back etc, and may have entrance requirements for age.
Remember that with aviation training you should add at least 25% on top of estimated costs to account for overruns (This is no joke - ask many wannabes on pprune). Also, to be an instructor requires an instructor rating, costing approx £5k. I would like to be brutally realistic here and say that you need £35k minimum to get where you want to go, with your reserves pushes this up to £45k minimum. However, this figure is subjective and other replies will bound around this figure.
Not quite sure what this is but I suspect it might be some kind of quick degree simply by the comments you made about gaining an MSc.
An MSc is a Master of Science course. Think of it as an 'add on pack' to a standard BSc Bachelors degree. You cannot have an MSc unless you have a BSc, which lasts approx. 3yrs. This is unless things have changed since I left uni 2 years ago.
If the course I have quoted is a degree, then this will not apply.
(At the risk of repeating myself from other posts) At the moment there are no job about so I'd seriously "go modular". Go to uni, have a great time getting laid and drunk for 3 years, then get a job and fly modular style. It might take you a few more years but your debt will be less and its great fun.
I have the satisfaction of a job I am enjoying, I have a share in my own plane for hour building so can go flying with my mates, I study with Bristol ground school during the evening and weekends and can just about afford to enjoy a night out or two. My dream of flying for a living will be a reality one day, just not this week.
Best of luck
Bodie
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Your plan seems solid enough and your research is somewhat better than many people of your age. Also, may I say that you are very fortunate to have such supporting patents.
I would research more in to the unsecured loan, perhaps by talking to the HSBC and seeing if they would actually be willing to provide one - they will want some idea of how you intend to pay this back etc, and may have entrance requirements for age.
Remember that with aviation training you should add at least 25% on top of estimated costs to account for overruns (This is no joke - ask many wannabes on pprune). Also, to be an instructor requires an instructor rating, costing approx £5k. I would like to be brutally realistic here and say that you need £35k minimum to get where you want to go, with your reserves pushes this up to £45k minimum. However, this figure is subjective and other replies will bound around this figure.
Cranfield College of Aeronautics "preliminary year"
An MSc is a Master of Science course. Think of it as an 'add on pack' to a standard BSc Bachelors degree. You cannot have an MSc unless you have a BSc, which lasts approx. 3yrs. This is unless things have changed since I left uni 2 years ago.
If the course I have quoted is a degree, then this will not apply.
(At the risk of repeating myself from other posts) At the moment there are no job about so I'd seriously "go modular". Go to uni, have a great time getting laid and drunk for 3 years, then get a job and fly modular style. It might take you a few more years but your debt will be less and its great fun.
I have the satisfaction of a job I am enjoying, I have a share in my own plane for hour building so can go flying with my mates, I study with Bristol ground school during the evening and weekends and can just about afford to enjoy a night out or two. My dream of flying for a living will be a reality one day, just not this week.
Best of luck
Bodie
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Check with HSBC about the unsecured loan. I think you will find it very difficult to get it without any job guarantee. Somebody that I know managed to get the amount that you are looking for, but only 10K was unsecured and that was only because he had a contract with him which guaranteed him employment at the end of training.
The Professional Studies Loan is pretty good, but it is very unlikely you will get that amount unsecured.
One word of advice too. If one branch of HSBC refuse you, then try as many as it takes. Each manager is different and they have no set policy on this!!!
Good luck.
The Professional Studies Loan is pretty good, but it is very unlikely you will get that amount unsecured.
One word of advice too. If one branch of HSBC refuse you, then try as many as it takes. Each manager is different and they have no set policy on this!!!
Good luck.
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Your "student visa" may include a provision for you to accept a job while enrolled in school. Even a part-time job would help with your finances. Ask the U.S. Embassy about including that provision with your student visa application.
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My plan(opinions needed)
I have been thinking a lot of about becoming a pilot, and it's my dream job. I currently reside in Windsor, Canada.
This is my last year in high school, my plan for next September is to get a decent paying full time job somewhere, and go to flying school at the same time. I would stay in that job until I would pay off my flying school. I may pay it off before I finish it though. I am not sure how long this would all take, but I understand the private licence could be gotten in as little as 6 weeks if you want to do it rather quickly. But anyways, I think it might take 3-4 years to finish it ALL.
Once I pay off my flying school, I would go back to my current part time job(Pizza Hut lol), work less and try and finish flying school. Once I finish flying school, I would become an instructor at that flying school to build up some hours, quit my part time job and sign up for college and get a back up.
So while I am at college, I could be an instructor after school and building up my hours. After some 3 years of college, I could have enough hours to get a job somewhere as a commercial pilot, hopefully a smaller airline.
Any opinions? Suggestions? Any other ways I should do this besides possibly military?
This is my last year in high school, my plan for next September is to get a decent paying full time job somewhere, and go to flying school at the same time. I would stay in that job until I would pay off my flying school. I may pay it off before I finish it though. I am not sure how long this would all take, but I understand the private licence could be gotten in as little as 6 weeks if you want to do it rather quickly. But anyways, I think it might take 3-4 years to finish it ALL.
Once I pay off my flying school, I would go back to my current part time job(Pizza Hut lol), work less and try and finish flying school. Once I finish flying school, I would become an instructor at that flying school to build up some hours, quit my part time job and sign up for college and get a back up.
So while I am at college, I could be an instructor after school and building up my hours. After some 3 years of college, I could have enough hours to get a job somewhere as a commercial pilot, hopefully a smaller airline.
Any opinions? Suggestions? Any other ways I should do this besides possibly military?
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I would stay in that job until I would pay off my flying school.
Ummm...what kind of job are we talking about here? Stock broker, bank robber?
My advice is to check out the MILLIONS of threads on this subject here and then see about getting a loan. It would be the fastest way around it and you will have fairly good prospects of getting a job - if you are willing to travel because at the moment I think that the job opprotunities in Canada are scarce!
Lots of good flight schools in Canada. Check out www.harvsair.com and send an email to a very nice guy called Adam.
Take care and best of luck to you.
Ummm...what kind of job are we talking about here? Stock broker, bank robber?
My advice is to check out the MILLIONS of threads on this subject here and then see about getting a loan. It would be the fastest way around it and you will have fairly good prospects of getting a job - if you are willing to travel because at the moment I think that the job opprotunities in Canada are scarce!
Lots of good flight schools in Canada. Check out www.harvsair.com and send an email to a very nice guy called Adam.
Take care and best of luck to you.
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George
If you check out the subject on here by doing a search then you'll see that getting a loan can put you in a positon of terminal deadlock with no room to move! So by all means think about it, just don't go running off to the bank too soon ...because the repayments will probably double your training cost in real terms if you include the stress of knowing you have a $300 repayment every month for the next ten years (and no house afterwards!!)
Your plan sounds good. Make sure you're flexible and take up ANY (any!!!!!) opportunity that is offered to you in these early days, however.
Regarding instructing - Airlines look for experience of t/prop, multi engine minimum normally (but it's definitely not impossible to get a job with single engine piston instructing - ask one of the many who have) but that's more the motivation to take any t/prop / night frieght / ferry whatever work that will make you stand out at the end of the day. If it is an airline you're after, that is, and not instructing (which can be much more rewarding for those that do it!)
Keep your head screwed on and your ears and eyes open - and never give up.
Andy
If you check out the subject on here by doing a search then you'll see that getting a loan can put you in a positon of terminal deadlock with no room to move! So by all means think about it, just don't go running off to the bank too soon ...because the repayments will probably double your training cost in real terms if you include the stress of knowing you have a $300 repayment every month for the next ten years (and no house afterwards!!)
Your plan sounds good. Make sure you're flexible and take up ANY (any!!!!!) opportunity that is offered to you in these early days, however.
Regarding instructing - Airlines look for experience of t/prop, multi engine minimum normally (but it's definitely not impossible to get a job with single engine piston instructing - ask one of the many who have) but that's more the motivation to take any t/prop / night frieght / ferry whatever work that will make you stand out at the end of the day. If it is an airline you're after, that is, and not instructing (which can be much more rewarding for those that do it!)
Keep your head screwed on and your ears and eyes open - and never give up.
Andy