Am I too young? And how young is too young?
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Also worth adding,
"If we have any problems before our take off speed of ?? knots i'll bring the to a halt on the runway(ATC call 'stopping'). If the failure occurs in the climb, with remaining runway i'll land straight ahead, higher in the climb i'll select a suitable area to land within 30 degrees either side.
Also worth stating is that the weather and crosswind are both within limits and in the climb give MSA for first leg.
Hope this helps and above all enjoy the flight.
FF
"If we have any problems before our take off speed of ?? knots i'll bring the to a halt on the runway(ATC call 'stopping'). If the failure occurs in the climb, with remaining runway i'll land straight ahead, higher in the climb i'll select a suitable area to land within 30 degrees either side.
Also worth stating is that the weather and crosswind are both within limits and in the climb give MSA for first leg.
Hope this helps and above all enjoy the flight.
FF
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Can you be too young? i.e 20 yrs old
An example scenario, pre september 11th.
Trained to a good standard on an intregrated course at a good school i.e (cabair, oats, jerez) and completed, 20 years old, with 3 good A levels.
Ok would you be an employable pilot, or would age be on a problem. I mean at 20 years old would the airlines want to let you near a Ģ30 million aircraft.
Im planning on training after I complete my A levels this spring, I will be 19 in September, therefore being 20 when I complete training (with a very (very very) optomistic view that the airline industry will have recovered in 2 years).
Is anyone else in the same position or been in the same position.
Trained to a good standard on an intregrated course at a good school i.e (cabair, oats, jerez) and completed, 20 years old, with 3 good A levels.
Ok would you be an employable pilot, or would age be on a problem. I mean at 20 years old would the airlines want to let you near a Ģ30 million aircraft.
Im planning on training after I complete my A levels this spring, I will be 19 in September, therefore being 20 when I complete training (with a very (very very) optomistic view that the airline industry will have recovered in 2 years).
Is anyone else in the same position or been in the same position.
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I would say go to University. You'll still only be 21 by the time you're done and have a great time. I did and am now 22 and planning on starting training soon. I fear I may graduate too early to be able to walk into a job though.
By the time you graduate the airline industry will be a good position and so will you be. Having a degree also means that if it doesn't work out for any reason, or you lose your medical at some point in your career, you have something substantial to fall back on.
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By the time you graduate the airline industry will be a good position and so will you be. Having a degree also means that if it doesn't work out for any reason, or you lose your medical at some point in your career, you have something substantial to fall back on.
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Dimitri,
I would say go for it. I cannot see why going to University would make much difference if you have the money to go integrated already. It will help you in understanding some of the sillybus for JAR but a couple of A-Levels in Physics and Maths should see you through without too much brain screwing.
As for job prospects and employers taking on a 20 year old, all I can say to that is just do it and find out. Itīs up to you to show them you are capable isnīt it?
There are two 19 year olds on my course at the moment and nobody has ever suggested that their age will work against them in the job stakes. On the contrary, they are in the best position.
Best of luck,
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I would say go for it. I cannot see why going to University would make much difference if you have the money to go integrated already. It will help you in understanding some of the sillybus for JAR but a couple of A-Levels in Physics and Maths should see you through without too much brain screwing.
As for job prospects and employers taking on a 20 year old, all I can say to that is just do it and find out. Itīs up to you to show them you are capable isnīt it?
There are two 19 year olds on my course at the moment and nobody has ever suggested that their age will work against them in the job stakes. On the contrary, they are in the best position.
Best of luck,
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Just for your interest, in my case i was accepted on a sponsorship earlier this year at the age of 20 - so obviously the airline trusted me enough with their equipment. But there are some points to note:
1)By the time i wouldve completed training and been on the line i wouldve been 21/22.
2)I am a uni student and was accepted at the end of my second year (i wouldve had to forfiet my final year), which certainly helped my application.
3) The above points are past tense because sept 11th came along and has held things back a little!
But the moral of the story is, if you can demonstrate that you're mature enough during the selection process, then your age shouldnt hold you back.
Good luck.
1)By the time i wouldve completed training and been on the line i wouldve been 21/22.
2)I am a uni student and was accepted at the end of my second year (i wouldve had to forfiet my final year), which certainly helped my application.
3) The above points are past tense because sept 11th came along and has held things back a little!
But the moral of the story is, if you can demonstrate that you're mature enough during the selection process, then your age shouldnt hold you back.
Good luck.
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Yes, they would let you, if you get recommended from Jerez or Oxford to an airline and pass, and they are still recruiting. Is conceivable and has been done, but I would be more wary about the timing: that is having a full licence with low hours even by the beginning of 2004. However if you have the cash and are prepared to risk it then you may just about be in a prime position, however if things really massively change in terms of consolidation of airlines/BA cutting itself up, then university and backup career would be better.
Of course we would all make the right decisions if we knew what will happen.
Good luck
Of course we would all make the right decisions if we knew what will happen.
Good luck
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20 years old is not too young to be flying..i started when i was 17...now 21 with CPL...etc..
Last night at a party i met a friend of mine i havnt seen in ages. The reason i hadnt seen him was because at the age of 20 an airline picked him up, he is now flying J41's at the age of 21.
Age is just a number, its all up to you! :-)
Last night at a party i met a friend of mine i havnt seen in ages. The reason i hadnt seen him was because at the age of 20 an airline picked him up, he is now flying J41's at the age of 21.
Age is just a number, its all up to you! :-)
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Age makes no difference when trying to land an airline job, experience is what counts. I started flying at 18, went to the States to train and build experience instructing and flying air taxi. I then returned to the UK at 20 with nearly 2000 hours.
Flew turboprops for a year, now flying the ERJ 145, looking at an upgrade to Captain in about 12 months (at the age of 24)!
Good Luck...and go for it!
Flew turboprops for a year, now flying the ERJ 145, looking at an upgrade to Captain in about 12 months (at the age of 24)!
Good Luck...and go for it!
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It is true that most airlines would only see you being young as an advantage i.e you can work for them for longer. It is not the age but the maturity that counts. I got my Frozen ATPL at just turned 19 had 20 months looking for work, not the age just a bad time for recruitment. I was flying commercially ATR42/72 just before my 21st.
There was one guy at an interview once that said 3 times in 45mins despite the replies "I have never interviewed a 19 year old before" and " my son is 2 years older than you and all he does is sit on his backside or sleep"( he must have been a pilot)
Needless to say I didn't get a job with that outfit, not that I was too disappointed.
The only thing I would say is that if you are considering uni I would do it. Not for the further education but for the misbehaving aspect. After you have been working for a few years you will look back on your young and carefree days with fondness. So try and make them last as long as you can. God I'm starting to sound old! If you do go to uni you will still have at least 37 years of flying, but while your up there in the cruise you can remind yourself of Jenny, Tracy, Paula, Shelley, lisa, Helen, etc. from your days of living in uni halls.
Either way GOOD LUCK in whatever you decide, and enjoy!!
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There was one guy at an interview once that said 3 times in 45mins despite the replies "I have never interviewed a 19 year old before" and " my son is 2 years older than you and all he does is sit on his backside or sleep"( he must have been a pilot)
Needless to say I didn't get a job with that outfit, not that I was too disappointed. The only thing I would say is that if you are considering uni I would do it. Not for the further education but for the misbehaving aspect. After you have been working for a few years you will look back on your young and carefree days with fondness. So try and make them last as long as you can. God I'm starting to sound old! If you do go to uni you will still have at least 37 years of flying, but while your up there in the cruise you can remind yourself of Jenny, Tracy, Paula, Shelley, lisa, Helen, etc. from your days of living in uni halls.
Either way GOOD LUCK in whatever you decide, and enjoy!!
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Chill out boys. Go and enjoy life do the Uni thing (get drunk and get laid), go travelling, meet new people and places and get that on your CV.
At 24 and flying turboprops, I regret not going travelling. Life is to short. All I have now is my annual 5 weeks holiday and just taken 3 this month already.
At 24 and flying turboprops, I regret not going travelling. Life is to short. All I have now is my annual 5 weeks holiday and just taken 3 this month already.
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Guys. I started at 16. Flew solo at 17, started my CPL @ BAe FT Prestwick just after my 18th. Finished at 20 Got a job flying SAAB 340s at 21. Then got a Job flying Boeing 757s at 22. Now 23.
Go for it!! As someone said if you have the money then go do it. If you dont get a job, you can always go to Uni then. You can fly in the meantime to keep you IR current. GOOD LUCK. .Eff Oh. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
Go for it!! As someone said if you have the money then go do it. If you dont get a job, you can always go to Uni then. You can fly in the meantime to keep you IR current. GOOD LUCK. .Eff Oh.
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Dont Bother with Uni, you can do that Later, it is very possible in the 5 years it will take you to go to Uni and get a CPL, we will have had the boom then the bust again.
I work for what used to be Cityflyer, we had a 19 yr old F/o and we have a 24yr old Captain on the 146! Age not a problem, its all maturity.
I work for what used to be Cityflyer, we had a 19 yr old F/o and we have a 24yr old Captain on the 146! Age not a problem, its all maturity.
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Too Young!!
I have just got an e-mail from Jerez saying that I am too young! I thought 17 was the minimum age for flight training!
Does Oxford use this rule?
Cheers
Does Oxford use this rule?
Cheers
Under 18 you are in Loco Parentis to BAE and therefore a liability waiting to happen.
Its bad enough having 26 year old flying instructors - who should know better than to end up - greeting the dawn bobbing on the swimming pool lilo dressed toga style in the common room curtains; without having 17ys olds doing it.
WWW
Its bad enough having 26 year old flying instructors - who should know better than to end up - greeting the dawn bobbing on the swimming pool lilo dressed toga style in the common room curtains; without having 17ys olds doing it.
WWW
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I think it says in the small print on the Jerez brochure something along the lines of the minimum age being 18 - dont know if its something to do with the minimum age for a CPL issue being 18 or what - really must go back and study some more air law!
Anyways, bide your time and enjoy being too young to start pal, it all gets rather busy when you do start!
All the best.
Tunny
Anyways, bide your time and enjoy being too young to start pal, it all gets rather busy when you do start!
All the best.
Tunny
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Is waiting under a year a big deal?
It would make sense in the current industry climate, plus you could see what the common people do, for example, by working in a bookies...ohh, I forgot, you're under 18...
It would make sense in the current industry climate, plus you could see what the common people do, for example, by working in a bookies...ohh, I forgot, you're under 18...