Am I too young? And how young is too young?
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Am I too young? And how young is too young?
Hi all,
Need some help!!
Im 21 with brand new JAR PPL. The way things are going it looks like i will be sitting my ATPL theory when i am 22.
Problem is, i feel too young to be flying commercially. Dont get me wrong, i would love to fly for an airline or instruct. But who is going to want a 22 year old lad flying their planes or teaching students to fly?.
Better stil, how many people would want to be taught by a 22 year old??.
Have i got this wrong or is it genuinely not realistic to expect to become an instructor or airline pilot at such a young age???
AM I TOO YOUNG OR JUST TOO SCARED?!?!?!?!?
ps,I know i am by no means one of the youngest flyers out there!!! I just feel too young!!!!
Cheers!!!
Need some help!!
Im 21 with brand new JAR PPL. The way things are going it looks like i will be sitting my ATPL theory when i am 22.
Problem is, i feel too young to be flying commercially. Dont get me wrong, i would love to fly for an airline or instruct. But who is going to want a 22 year old lad flying their planes or teaching students to fly?.
Better stil, how many people would want to be taught by a 22 year old??.
Have i got this wrong or is it genuinely not realistic to expect to become an instructor or airline pilot at such a young age???
AM I TOO YOUNG OR JUST TOO SCARED?!?!?!?!?
ps,I know i am by no means one of the youngest flyers out there!!! I just feel too young!!!!
Cheers!!!
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I'm 30 and don't care who is teaching me/flying me around as long as they are better at it than I am!
Just go for it. If somebody doesn't respect your abilities as a pilot because of your age, that's their problem. Your confidence will build as you do more flying.
Just go for it. If somebody doesn't respect your abilities as a pilot because of your age, that's their problem. Your confidence will build as you do more flying.
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Rob...... just go for it! Don't hang around just 'cos you're worried about being too young!!! The airline I used to work for had Pilots as young an 19 and 20. What counts is experience, and if you get it at an earlier age than most, then good for you! I wish that I started flying at an earlier age (I am only 24!) instead of faffing around with all the ifs buts and maybes.
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Take it easy.... and DON'T delay!
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People are obsessed with chronological age! There are constant posts here asking "Am I too old?", "Am I too young?" etc etc. Do you all spend your lives looking at people and working out their ages or something? does it matter?
Rob, I'm over twice your age, but I'd be happy to learn from you or anyone else if you had something you could teach me. If anyone else feels differently, it's their problem, not yours. I wish I'd started when I was your age, not because I can't do it now, but because it would mean I had a lot more years of flying left. You've got a great opportunity. Stop worrying and go for it!
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Rob, I'm over twice your age, but I'd be happy to learn from you or anyone else if you had something you could teach me. If anyone else feels differently, it's their problem, not yours. I wish I'd started when I was your age, not because I can't do it now, but because it would mean I had a lot more years of flying left. You've got a great opportunity. Stop worrying and go for it!
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Wow...I hope to be flying people around by the time I'm 19 or so, with a little help from BA, or some other major, or maybe my local bank 
Good luck to you all, and God help you if you ever get put next to me in a cockpit one day
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Good luck to you all, and God help you if you ever get put next to me in a cockpit one day
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Hi Rob,
I've been 21 now for about 10 days, and am three exams away from completing my ATPL exams. I'm pretty worried that on completing my course and sending out countless CVs, I will hear nothing from the airlines, etc, partly due to my age. I had the same thought about instructing, I could imagine the whole 'How old are you?!' type thing. I'm considering working abroad for a year or so, if I have to. Whatever I have to do to get paid to fly.
I would say go for it! Good luck
I've been 21 now for about 10 days, and am three exams away from completing my ATPL exams. I'm pretty worried that on completing my course and sending out countless CVs, I will hear nothing from the airlines, etc, partly due to my age. I had the same thought about instructing, I could imagine the whole 'How old are you?!' type thing. I'm considering working abroad for a year or so, if I have to. Whatever I have to do to get paid to fly.
I would say go for it! Good luck
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Rob, I've flown with co-pilots younger than you, and they were all damn good at their job (we're talking a reasonably major player on the aviation front here as well...) Go for it, age doesn't matter as much as the right attitude to the job, and the blind determination to get there.
Actually, thinking about it, I started my PPL when I was a year older than you!
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Help for a Young, Naive Pilot!
Hey there again - thanks everyone for your replies on my skills test next week - they really have been a great help. I'm flying on Thursday, then again on Saturday, and by then I should be ready, if not, I've booked another lesson for Sunday. Should hopefully be taking it next week sometime - I just can't wait to get it over with. I will definitely let you know how it goes though.
Here are a few more questions I would like answered if at all possible - thanks v. much...I could not find the answers to these anywhere.
PLEASE NOTE - I AM FLYING THE C152
1) What are the short trailing lines at the end of the wings for?
2) What is the short cable between the wing and the aileron?
3) Where are the pitot and static drains? (are they on the 152?)
4) What does LL mean in 100LL? I can't find it anywhere!
5) What are the different aerials on the fuselage? I assume it's the VOR, radio and transponder. Are there any more on the 152 and in what order do they come?
6) Are any of you going to the International Careers in Aviation Exhibition a week Sat (the 10th)?!
One final important thing I would like answered - what would you guys say is the standard safety briefing for passengers on the 152? As you have told me, it needs to be said to the examiner when he gets in....
Thank you once again v. much,
A Young, Nervous Pilot (17) - TP01
Here are a few more questions I would like answered if at all possible - thanks v. much...I could not find the answers to these anywhere.
PLEASE NOTE - I AM FLYING THE C152
1) What are the short trailing lines at the end of the wings for?
2) What is the short cable between the wing and the aileron?
3) Where are the pitot and static drains? (are they on the 152?)
4) What does LL mean in 100LL? I can't find it anywhere!
5) What are the different aerials on the fuselage? I assume it's the VOR, radio and transponder. Are there any more on the 152 and in what order do they come?
6) Are any of you going to the International Careers in Aviation Exhibition a week Sat (the 10th)?!
One final important thing I would like answered - what would you guys say is the standard safety briefing for passengers on the 152? As you have told me, it needs to be said to the examiner when he gets in....
Thank you once again v. much,
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TP, Ill answer those questions that I can,
1, The 'trailing lines' are static wicks which allow the static charge which builds up on an aeroplane as it flies to dissipate. This reduces its chances of being struck by lightning.
2, The cable between the aileron and the wing is a bonding wire which ensures all parts of the airframe are at the same electrical potential. Also provides a path for a lightning strike to avoid it travelling through the control cables with catestrophic damage.
3, I dont remember seeing pitot and static drains on a 152 - Ask your instructor.
4, LL = low lead
5, Different aerials will be VHF COM, VOR ADF, DME, XPDR again ask your instructor.
6, No
7, A safety briefing should include information as to how to adjust seat and how to don, doff and adjust seatbelt, How to open doors and the location and use of emergency equipment (axe, fire extinguisher etc) What to do in the event of a forced landing (remove specs Brace etc) and any other questions that the passenger/examiner may have.
Good Luck!
1, The 'trailing lines' are static wicks which allow the static charge which builds up on an aeroplane as it flies to dissipate. This reduces its chances of being struck by lightning.
2, The cable between the aileron and the wing is a bonding wire which ensures all parts of the airframe are at the same electrical potential. Also provides a path for a lightning strike to avoid it travelling through the control cables with catestrophic damage.
3, I dont remember seeing pitot and static drains on a 152 - Ask your instructor.
4, LL = low lead
5, Different aerials will be VHF COM, VOR ADF, DME, XPDR again ask your instructor.
6, No
7, A safety briefing should include information as to how to adjust seat and how to don, doff and adjust seatbelt, How to open doors and the location and use of emergency equipment (axe, fire extinguisher etc) What to do in the event of a forced landing (remove specs Brace etc) and any other questions that the passenger/examiner may have.
Good Luck!
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1) What are the short trailing lines at the end of the wings for?
Discharging the static electricity that builds up on the aircraft in flight.
2) What is the short cable between the wing and the aileron?
Static electricity bonding.
3) Where are the pitot and static drains? (are they on the 152?)
No, they aren't.
4) What does LL mean in 100LL? I can't find it anywhere!
Low Lead (but not unleaded!)
5) What are the different aerials on the fuselage? I assume it's the VOR, radio and transponder. Are there any more on the 152 and in what order do they come?
In a normal C152 layout :
The two on the top of the tail that point backwards in a 'V' shape are the VOR aerials.
The little shark fin one underneath the aircraft is the transponder. The one on the roof of the cockpit that slopes backwards, is the VHF communication radio.
Others you might notice on individual aircraft although they're not standard fit on all aircraft : a wire stretching from the cockpit to the front of the vertical fin is an ADF aerial. A rectangular/square boxy shaped one beneath the aircraft is a DME, and a similar shaped but slightly smaller one on the roof of the aircraft would be a GPS.
6) Are any of you going to the International Careers in Aviation Exhibition a week Sat (the 10th)?!
Not me I'm afraid.
One final important thing I would like answered - what would you guys say is the standard safety briefing for passengers on the 152? As you have told me, it needs to be said to the examiner when he gets in....
"Welcome aboard sir, before we get under way today there's a few safety aspects I'd like to go over with you. The doors are located on each side, they're operated very simply by pulling this handle here, please remember if you're exiting the aircraft not to walk forward of the wing. The seatbelt comes in two pieces, a lap belt which is done up like so, and the shoulder harness which clips onto this little buckle like this. Please keep your seatbelt on and secure throughout the flight. I'd like you to note at this time, the location of the first aid kit *here* and the fire extinguisher *here* If you have a mobile phone on you, I'd like you to please switch it off now. Finally, please let me know if you're feeling ill or uncomfortable at any stage in the flight and I'll do my best to help you' don't use the word 'sick', it doesn't sound cool and professional
The only things you're legally required to cover are the position and operation of doors and the seatbelts (unless you're flying over water, in which case you will of course be carrying lifejackets, and you will brief your examiner on how to put them on and use them). It's also OK if your examiner has already got in and buckled up, to say 'I see you're already familiar with the operation of the doors and seatbelts' and carry on from there. The rest is just point scoring and they can't fail you for not covering it, but if you can reel it off and sound like you know what you're talking about then you've just made a favourable start to the flight. I'd rather have my students give a bare-minimum passenger brief that sounds competent and knowledgable, than a big elaborate one that is obviously being done parrot fashion.
Discharging the static electricity that builds up on the aircraft in flight.
2) What is the short cable between the wing and the aileron?
Static electricity bonding.
3) Where are the pitot and static drains? (are they on the 152?)
No, they aren't.
4) What does LL mean in 100LL? I can't find it anywhere!
Low Lead (but not unleaded!)
5) What are the different aerials on the fuselage? I assume it's the VOR, radio and transponder. Are there any more on the 152 and in what order do they come?
In a normal C152 layout :
The two on the top of the tail that point backwards in a 'V' shape are the VOR aerials.
The little shark fin one underneath the aircraft is the transponder. The one on the roof of the cockpit that slopes backwards, is the VHF communication radio.
Others you might notice on individual aircraft although they're not standard fit on all aircraft : a wire stretching from the cockpit to the front of the vertical fin is an ADF aerial. A rectangular/square boxy shaped one beneath the aircraft is a DME, and a similar shaped but slightly smaller one on the roof of the aircraft would be a GPS.
6) Are any of you going to the International Careers in Aviation Exhibition a week Sat (the 10th)?!
Not me I'm afraid.
One final important thing I would like answered - what would you guys say is the standard safety briefing for passengers on the 152? As you have told me, it needs to be said to the examiner when he gets in....
"Welcome aboard sir, before we get under way today there's a few safety aspects I'd like to go over with you. The doors are located on each side, they're operated very simply by pulling this handle here, please remember if you're exiting the aircraft not to walk forward of the wing. The seatbelt comes in two pieces, a lap belt which is done up like so, and the shoulder harness which clips onto this little buckle like this. Please keep your seatbelt on and secure throughout the flight. I'd like you to note at this time, the location of the first aid kit *here* and the fire extinguisher *here* If you have a mobile phone on you, I'd like you to please switch it off now. Finally, please let me know if you're feeling ill or uncomfortable at any stage in the flight and I'll do my best to help you' don't use the word 'sick', it doesn't sound cool and professional
The only things you're legally required to cover are the position and operation of doors and the seatbelts (unless you're flying over water, in which case you will of course be carrying lifejackets, and you will brief your examiner on how to put them on and use them). It's also OK if your examiner has already got in and buckled up, to say 'I see you're already familiar with the operation of the doors and seatbelts' and carry on from there. The rest is just point scoring and they can't fail you for not covering it, but if you can reel it off and sound like you know what you're talking about then you've just made a favourable start to the flight. I'd rather have my students give a bare-minimum passenger brief that sounds competent and knowledgable, than a big elaborate one that is obviously being done parrot fashion.
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Luke, I'm no technical wiz on the 152 but I seem to remember that there is a drain (tiny hole) at the back of the pitot tube otherwise rainwater rammed into the pitot in flight would be forced up into the airspeed indicator etc. If it water froze in the tube that would be interesting too!
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Doh! You're right of course sensible. For some reason I was thinking only of the static drains which are of course those buttons down on the floor in those flashy Pipers.
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Unless you are flying for free, shouldn't you ask your instructor? Make him work for his money - flying is expensive and a good instructor would be hapy to point these things out to you. Get your money's worth! These are ideal questions to ask whilst doing your walk round, or during less demanding parts of your lessons. If your instructor is reluctant (or worse, unable) to answer these questions, find another instructor or change schools.
I haven't met an instructor yet who wouldn't help, or welcome such enquiries. Good pilots should always try to understand as much as they can about their aircraft and the environment they operate in, and it is a good sign that you want to ask these questions.
Good luck.
Unless you are flying for free, shouldn't you ask your instructor? Make him work for his money - flying is expensive and a good instructor would be hapy to point these things out to you. Get your money's worth! These are ideal questions to ask whilst doing your walk round, or during less demanding parts of your lessons. If your instructor is reluctant (or worse, unable) to answer these questions, find another instructor or change schools.
I haven't met an instructor yet who wouldn't help, or welcome such enquiries. Good pilots should always try to understand as much as they can about their aircraft and the environment they operate in, and it is a good sign that you want to ask these questions.
Good luck.