Licence Questions (requirements, costs, hours, LASORS etc.)
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ATPL
What does the CPL consist of i.e, licences, training and privileges. And how far off a CPL is an ATPL? Sorry if this makes no sense i cant find away to put it.
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CPL can be done indepently of ATPL. ATPL starts as a CPL (ATPL frozen) until 1500hrs, after which it becomes unfrozen. Google it. Tons of information online.
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Thats actually wrong. Frozen ATPL is a fancy name for a CPL and IR obtained with the ATPL 36 month exam validity, and this in turn has banked and/or frozen the ATPL theory.
Nothing to do with MCC.
Dont forget as well as 1500 hrs total, you need 500 hrs multi crew...
HB
Nothing to do with MCC.
HB
Felix, this thread I wrote might help: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=134076
It, along with many other useful threads, is linked to in the sticky thread at the top of this forum:
It, along with many other useful threads, is linked to in the sticky thread at the top of this forum:
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If you need the authoritative answers to the questions on this thread, look in LASORS here:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_07.pdf
or in JAR-FCL 1 here:
http://jaa.nl/publications/section1.html .
This thread contains misinformation and isn't helpful to those who need to know the accurate answers.
KK.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_07.pdf
or in JAR-FCL 1 here:
http://jaa.nl/publications/section1.html .
This thread contains misinformation and isn't helpful to those who need to know the accurate answers.
KK.
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lapsed jar cpl/frozen atpl
Please anyone help or piont me in the right direction for info on possibly renew or is it reval my jaa cpl. I know its valid only for 5 yrs, and that its lapsed .It says to be re-issued no later than 06/03/2006. Ive been searching on here and the belgrano website to no avail.Im out of the picture chaps,behind the curve,4 yrs no flying and im still pining for it.I rather hoped it would go away this feeling , but the dream as dead in the water as it is,keeps popping up.
Whats required ?i am aware a valid class 1 is required,mine expired Jan 2004,but what else is required ?
I held a JAR-CPL-MULTI-IR_frozen ATPL_instructor-instrument instructor about 600hrs.Sat the CAA ATPL exams but got issued a JAR CPL,was in the middle of the changeover.
Ive got a feeling its gonna be bad news.
Thanks in advance people
Whats required ?i am aware a valid class 1 is required,mine expired Jan 2004,but what else is required ?I held a JAR-CPL-MULTI-IR_frozen ATPL_instructor-instrument instructor about 600hrs.Sat the CAA ATPL exams but got issued a JAR CPL,was in the middle of the changeover.
Ive got a feeling its gonna be bad news.
Thanks in advance people
I believe section G5 in Lasors 2007 may help you but download a copy from caa website (the only free thing they give you). It has pretty much everything you need to know.
Hope it helps.
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
Hope it helps.
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
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Your Frozen ATPL consists of 4 elements: a CPL, an MEP rating, an IR and passes in the ATPL written exams.
The CPL can be renewed by sending form SRG\1102 to the CAA, along with payment. (Check the CAA website for the list of charges to find the amount of payment.) In order to be able to do this, you must have a class or type rating (either SEP or MEP, or a type rating) which has expired by less than 5 years in your license. (N.b. this is not the expiry date of your license, which you quoted in your post, but the expiry date of the rating which can be found in the ratings page of your license.) If you don't, you will have to renew your MEP rating before you can renew your license.
The MEP rating needs to be renewed with an examiner. The process depends on how long ago it expired. If it was less than 5 years, you simply do a test with an examiner, and the examiner signs the ratings page of your license. If it is more than 5 years, then you will need to do a written exam as well as the test, and then send a form to the CAA who will send you a new ratings page for your license (for which they will charge a fee).
The IR ratings also needs to be renewed with an examiner, and again how long ago your IR expired will determine what needs to be done. This can also be found in the ratings page of your license. If it's expired by less than 5 years, you can do a test with any examiner. If it's expired by more than 5 years, then the test must be done with a CAA staff examiner.
It is normally possible to combine the MEP and the IR test flights into just one flight.
The IR written exams don't need anything doing to renew them as long as your IR hasn't expired my more than 7 years. If you IR has expired by more than 7 years, then you will need to re-do the written exams.
Hope that helps,
FFF
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The CPL can be renewed by sending form SRG\1102 to the CAA, along with payment. (Check the CAA website for the list of charges to find the amount of payment.) In order to be able to do this, you must have a class or type rating (either SEP or MEP, or a type rating) which has expired by less than 5 years in your license. (N.b. this is not the expiry date of your license, which you quoted in your post, but the expiry date of the rating which can be found in the ratings page of your license.) If you don't, you will have to renew your MEP rating before you can renew your license.
The MEP rating needs to be renewed with an examiner. The process depends on how long ago it expired. If it was less than 5 years, you simply do a test with an examiner, and the examiner signs the ratings page of your license. If it is more than 5 years, then you will need to do a written exam as well as the test, and then send a form to the CAA who will send you a new ratings page for your license (for which they will charge a fee).
The IR ratings also needs to be renewed with an examiner, and again how long ago your IR expired will determine what needs to be done. This can also be found in the ratings page of your license. If it's expired by less than 5 years, you can do a test with any examiner. If it's expired by more than 5 years, then the test must be done with a CAA staff examiner.
It is normally possible to combine the MEP and the IR test flights into just one flight.
The IR written exams don't need anything doing to renew them as long as your IR hasn't expired my more than 7 years. If you IR has expired by more than 7 years, then you will need to re-do the written exams.
Hope that helps,
FFF
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M80,
For the MEP, there is no re-training required if the rating has expired by less than 5 years. For more than 5 years, training is requird at the discretion of the Head of Training of your school, and there is space on the test forms to specify what training was done.
For the IR, there is no mention of any re-training being required.
However, I would suggest that if Ribione has not done any flying for a while, he/she will need a little re-training, and should discuss this with a school.
FFF
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For the MEP, there is no re-training required if the rating has expired by less than 5 years. For more than 5 years, training is requird at the discretion of the Head of Training of your school, and there is space on the test forms to specify what training was done.
For the IR, there is no mention of any re-training being required.
However, I would suggest that if Ribione has not done any flying for a while, he/she will need a little re-training, and should discuss this with a school.
FFF
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OK - FFF. However from my experience I had an ME/IR lapsed by 3 months and had to have a one hour flight with an instructor, and the signed paperwork from this needed to be presented to the examiner upon taking the renewal. This is from two weeks ago. Perhaps the examiners here have a blanket policy specifying training for any lapsed ME/IRs.
I spoke to three examiners and two schools whilst looking for quotes, and it was the same with all parties. Anyway, 600 GBP for two and a half / three hours in a Seneca and the test can't be frowned at and it's another flight in the logbook
I spoke to three examiners and two schools whilst looking for quotes, and it was the same with all parties. Anyway, 600 GBP for two and a half / three hours in a Seneca and the test can't be frowned at and it's another flight in the logbook
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The 7 year rule??
Hi all,
Ive got a question about the ATPL validity period. I fully understand about the 18 months to complete, from taking the first exam, and also the 36 months to get all your flying training done.
However, it says that from passing your IR the validity goes from three years to seven years. My question is this.. If you were unfortunate enough not to get a job in seven years or wanted to become a pro instructor, after that seven years would you have to take the lot again? From the wording it comes accross as that.
Would appreciate any help or a definitive answer
Cheers
Expedite
Ive got a question about the ATPL validity period. I fully understand about the 18 months to complete, from taking the first exam, and also the 36 months to get all your flying training done.
However, it says that from passing your IR the validity goes from three years to seven years. My question is this.. If you were unfortunate enough not to get a job in seven years or wanted to become a pro instructor, after that seven years would you have to take the lot again? From the wording it comes accross as that.
Would appreciate any help or a definitive answer
Cheers
Expedite
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The way I read LASORS is that if you keep your IR reasonably current then you will NOT lose your ATPL theoretical examination credits. But if you let your IR lapse by more than 7 years then you get to do all those lovely exams again. Could be fun, there might be 20 of them the way the EU is heading
Moral of the story I guess is that if you intend to instruct for the forseeable future and don't have any use for a current IR then let it go but beware of the time expiry and the fact that the longer you let it go the harder and more costly it will be to get it back.
Thinking more about it.....isn't there a new rule/law coming in that you can only revalidate an IR in the sim every 2nd time around? Would make the case even stronger then to knowingly let it lapse if you are going to instruct PPL stuff as it will be cheaper to revalidate it in the sim when you need it for an airline interview/sim ride etc. Otherwise it could get very costly.
Moral of the story I guess is that if you intend to instruct for the forseeable future and don't have any use for a current IR then let it go but beware of the time expiry and the fact that the longer you let it go the harder and more costly it will be to get it back.Thinking more about it.....isn't there a new rule/law coming in that you can only revalidate an IR in the sim every 2nd time around? Would make the case even stronger then to knowingly let it lapse if you are going to instruct PPL stuff as it will be cheaper to revalidate it in the sim when you need it for an airline interview/sim ride etc. Otherwise it could get very costly.