ATPL Ground study material: books, DVDs, computer programs etc.
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From: Christchurch, Dorset
TJF97 - I'm fairly certain the CAA require you to be on an approved distance learning or classroom based course, unless you have an exemption. I'm not too sure what would qualify you for an exemption, you could try checking with the CAA or one of the ground schools like Bristol Ground School.
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From: White Waltham, Prestwick & Calgary
You need to get a sign off from a school saying that you have done the studying before you can sit the exam, otherwise life would be so simple.
alexflynn86 -
Check out noiseboy's post above for a book that is designed for just your purpose.
Phil
alexflynn86 -
Check out noiseboy's post above for a book that is designed for just your purpose.
Phil
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From: U.K.
Thanks, I will look into getting that book, unless anyone has a spare copy they wish to 'donate'. 
Is there a great difference between the OAT manuals and the Jepessen ones? I'm rather tempted by the OAT because I have some CD-roms by them, which are tres bien.
Is there a great difference between the OAT manuals and the Jepessen ones? I'm rather tempted by the OAT because I have some CD-roms by them, which are tres bien.
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From: italy
I have a brand new spare complete set of JAA Jeppesen ATPL manuals made by OAT.
Anyone interested in excellent discount?
Send me an email at [email protected]
Anyone interested in excellent discount?
Send me an email at [email protected]
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From: uk
Instrument training on dvd
I am thinking to buy a dvd for instrument training,i saw one called Elite in a pilot shop in London but its a bit expensive,its around 185 pounds.Anyone knows if i could find it somewhere else cheaper?Do you think its worth its money?Any other dvd recommended?
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From: South of England
The instrument rating
I'm looking to do my IR very soon and have one burning question.
Would it be frowned upon by airlines etc. if I got a single engine IR first.
I currently fly commercially in singles at the moment anyway.
Would acquiring a multi engine rating AFTER passing a single engine IR automatically give you a multi-engine IR?
Surely flying a suitably equipped simple single like a C172 would increase chances of that much revered 1st-time IR pass.
Sounds too easy. Surely there's a catch.
I'd love any feedback from those in the know...
Cheers.
Would it be frowned upon by airlines etc. if I got a single engine IR first.
I currently fly commercially in singles at the moment anyway.
Would acquiring a multi engine rating AFTER passing a single engine IR automatically give you a multi-engine IR?
Surely flying a suitably equipped simple single like a C172 would increase chances of that much revered 1st-time IR pass.
Sounds too easy. Surely there's a catch.
I'd love any feedback from those in the know...
Cheers.
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From: Westward TV
to answer your points
airlines wouldn't give a hoot whether you did a single IR first or not. all they want is that you hold a current multi IR.
if you got a MEP rating this does NOT give you multi IR privileges. you need to sit a 15 hour course to add multi engine to a single engine IR.
having a SE IR will help with your ME IR. however, the two are not really that similar with the hardest part being all the single engine asymetric (sp?) work.
if i was you, i would bite the bullet and get the ME IR initally. works out cheaper and gives you the SE IR privileges as well
airlines wouldn't give a hoot whether you did a single IR first or not. all they want is that you hold a current multi IR.
if you got a MEP rating this does NOT give you multi IR privileges. you need to sit a 15 hour course to add multi engine to a single engine IR.
having a SE IR will help with your ME IR. however, the two are not really that similar with the hardest part being all the single engine asymetric (sp?) work.
if i was you, i would bite the bullet and get the ME IR initally. works out cheaper and gives you the SE IR privileges as well
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From: fl350
I have heard this “15 Hours” rumour before, and do not believe it to be correct.
Both JAR FCL 1 and Lasors 2006 clearly state that conversion from a JAA SE/IR to a JAA ME/IR may be achieved as follows
- hold a mutli-engine rating, or have completed the flight instruction for same
- undertake 5 hours ME(IR) training, up to 3 of which may be in an FNPT II
Now that’s a lot cheaper than the 15 hours you have quoted!
I think the 15 hour course refers to those wishing to convert from an ICAO ME/IR to a JAA ME/IR. It wouldn’t be that some schools are seeking to benefit from this misunderstanding, would it?
Both JAR FCL 1 and Lasors 2006 clearly state that conversion from a JAA SE/IR to a JAA ME/IR may be achieved as follows
- hold a mutli-engine rating, or have completed the flight instruction for same
- undertake 5 hours ME(IR) training, up to 3 of which may be in an FNPT II
Now that’s a lot cheaper than the 15 hours you have quoted!
I think the 15 hour course refers to those wishing to convert from an ICAO ME/IR to a JAA ME/IR. It wouldn’t be that some schools are seeking to benefit from this misunderstanding, would it?
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From: UK
I believe that it is a minimum of 5 hours. In reality it is likely to be longer depending on your own ability. In my opinion, the most stressful points of the IRT are the EFATO section, asymetric hold, approach and go-around.
You would do very well to complete in 5 hours. Also don't forget the cost of the test.
You would do very well to complete in 5 hours. Also don't forget the cost of the test.
Why do it if it's not fun?
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From: Bournemouth
Whichever your school suggests.
They all contain near enough the same material, so best to pick the one which your instructors know best, so they can help you with any questions.
FFF
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They all contain near enough the same material, so best to pick the one which your instructors know best, so they can help you with any questions.
FFF
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From: "Home is were the answer machine is"
Many books out there cover the same information in comparable formats. Use the one your school suggest, and have a look at John Denker's 'See how it flies' for some background information. Always worth a read as he often puts a different spin on things.
http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/multi.html
http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/multi.html
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From: Egoli
JAR Study Notes !!
Hi all.
Just testing the water. I hold an ICAO ATP and want to get a JAR licence.
I believe I have to writte all 14 exams.
Does anybody out there ( or does anybody know anybody) sell used Study notes ????
Any help with this is greatly appreciated.
Just testing the water. I hold an ICAO ATP and want to get a JAR licence.
I believe I have to writte all 14 exams.
Does anybody out there ( or does anybody know anybody) sell used Study notes ????
Any help with this is greatly appreciated.
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From: cranfield uk
Hey there even if u buy used study guides i think ull have to get some official groundschool (distance learning or inhouse in order to be able to sit in the exams )The price of most of the Ground schools will inlcude study guides. Hope this will help
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From: Egoli
Thanks NK. I got enough hours, so I dont have to go to groundschool. Checked allready with CAA in england. Just have to writte the exams. At the moment I stay in Rsa, therefore I am looking for some notes to study here and then pop over and writte.
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From: UK
Do yourself a favour and sign up to BGS. Get their notes sent over to you and then use the ATP website to run through the actual questions you are likely to get for the exams. Included in your fees for the BGS notes are the brush up courses which run for a few weeks prior to the exams which you would be silly not to take advantage of. If you want to see what you will be up against then go onto the BGS website and see examples of the types of questions that JAA have here:
http://www.jals.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=24
http://www.jals.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=24
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
I believe that both Bristol and Oxford will sell the manuals separately for people in this situation (i.e. who don't need to prove a certain number of hours theoretical study).
Cheers
Whirls
Cheers
Whirls