JAA ATPL Ground Exams
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From: England
Thanks.
The workload is the same for both routes - they are both 27 weeks. It's just a case of 3 exam sittings or 2.
I'm tending to favour the 3 module route, but have no idea how many (if any) resits are normal. I'm no maths wizzkid!
The workload is the same for both routes - they are both 27 weeks. It's just a case of 3 exam sittings or 2.
I'm tending to favour the 3 module route, but have no idea how many (if any) resits are normal. I'm no maths wizzkid!
Better red than ...
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From: Appleby-in-Westmorland Cumbria England
How about take the 13/14 subjects (as applicable) at ground school then sit all 13/14 in one week.
This will mean you have more available sittings in the exams, more time and will have seen the synergy between the subjects?
This will mean you have more available sittings in the exams, more time and will have seen the synergy between the subjects?
Educated Hillbilly
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From: From the Hills
Go for the three stage option, it makes perfect sense. Remember as well as six sittings, you are only allowed four attempts at any one subject. So if you have sat all exams by the third sittings, that still leaves three sittings for resits, that still gives you the maximum number of attempts(four) at any subject. So you will not lose anything by using the third sitting, you will only increase your chances of passing all at first attempt.
For the record I did distance learning on a three stage ground school and got every subject at first attempt.
For the record I did distance learning on a three stage ground school and got every subject at first attempt.
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From: Westward TV
portshabourflyer has hit the nail on the head there. when it comes to resits, you get just as much chance as the 2 module people.
one thing that sways it for some is that the brush up courses are normally only 1 week in length, rather than the usual 2 weeks. some people find it easier with work and family to have one week off rather than 2.
one thing that sways it for some is that the brush up courses are normally only 1 week in length, rather than the usual 2 weeks. some people find it easier with work and family to have one week off rather than 2.
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From: Earth
ATPL Exam absence
I'm aware you lose your money for not turning up, but for a particular exam will that count as a FAIL and will you lose the "attempt"?
Say if its the first attempt, will it still be the first attempt once rebooking? Or will it go to the 2nd attempt?
Many thanks.
Say if its the first attempt, will it still be the first attempt once rebooking? Or will it go to the 2nd attempt?
Many thanks.
Gizajob
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http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_fc...candidates.pdf
This should answer your question. CAA website, under FCL examinations section...
This should answer your question. CAA website, under FCL examinations section...
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From: Liverpool based Geordie, so calm down, calm down kidda!!
I did the JAR Perf exam this week and 34 questions gave 38 marks. Some were two pointers. As I am a CAA exam old man I couldn't comment on the other tests.
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Yes, the exam quetions are weighted, especially G-NAV 1,2,3 and even I think 4 mark questions are included. The G_NAV test on weds had something like 58 questions but there were about 80-90 marks available as far as I can remember. Thats the problem with the bristol web site, each q is worth 1 mark and can skew the way you think you are performing.
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From: Appleby-in-Westmorland Cumbria England
Quite a big skew on some papers. Flight Planning for example. During a tea break in Flight Planning, I calculated you could blow the whole paper on a single page in that particular exam ... 
Others, much flatter.
May vary by paper as well. Depends on the luck of the draw ...
Others, much flatter.
May vary by paper as well. Depends on the luck of the draw ...
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From: Northumberland
PPL and ATPL exams on integrated courses
Hey
I've been looking at a lot of integrated courses, and i know that there are PPL exams, and also ATPL exams.
On an integrated course there are 14 exams. Does this cover PPL and ATPL, or are these ONLY ATPL exams?
For example, if you did a PPL and went onto an integrated course, is there still 14 exams?
How many exams are there at PPL level?
On an integrated course, do you do the PPL exams and then go onto ATPL exams?
I hope that's clear, i tried a search but nothing came up and i asked in another thread but nobody seemed to know. Thanks
I've been looking at a lot of integrated courses, and i know that there are PPL exams, and also ATPL exams.
On an integrated course there are 14 exams. Does this cover PPL and ATPL, or are these ONLY ATPL exams?
For example, if you did a PPL and went onto an integrated course, is there still 14 exams?
How many exams are there at PPL level?
On an integrated course, do you do the PPL exams and then go onto ATPL exams?
I hope that's clear, i tried a search but nothing came up and i asked in another thread but nobody seemed to know. Thanks
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From: Alderley Edge
If you do a modular route, you have to take 7 ppl exams, and then the 14 ATPL exams on top of that.
The integrated students only do the 14 ATPL exams. Wheres the fairness in that!
In my opinion either the mod students should have to take less exams, or better, the lazy integrated students should have to do more to compensate for not doing the PPL exams! That'll teach em!
The integrated students only do the 14 ATPL exams. Wheres the fairness in that!
In my opinion either the mod students should have to take less exams, or better, the lazy integrated students should have to do more to compensate for not doing the PPL exams! That'll teach em!
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quite easily, if you do the modular route you have to hold a ppl to qualify to take the atpl exams so to get the ppl you have to do the ppl exams, the integrated route, a lot of schools do the atpl exams first, then begin flight training so it would be pointless taking the ppl exams when you already hold atpl exams
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From: Alderley Edge
Nah, it makes no sense whatsoever.
Why should a modular student have to hold a PPL before he takes the ATPL exams, when an integrated guy can start the ATPL theory and take all of the exams dispite in many cases having never ever flown a plane?
Is someone who has never flown a plane really in a position to understand fully the ATPL material, with no flying experience to refer to?
Does the integrated system therefore compromise pilots knowledge an understanding of aviation and ultimately therefore compromise flight safety?
In my opinion the modular system needs revamping. People should be allowed to do the ATPL exams first before doing their PPL, and therefore be exempt from the 7ppl exams.
Mind you, then the only difference between a mod course and an integrated course would be that a mod guy would have to take a PPL skills test b4 doing his CPL training and test, the integrated guy would not. It would hardly then be worth making a distinction between the two routes, would it?
The upshot of all this, abolish integrated courses!
Why should a modular student have to hold a PPL before he takes the ATPL exams, when an integrated guy can start the ATPL theory and take all of the exams dispite in many cases having never ever flown a plane?
Is someone who has never flown a plane really in a position to understand fully the ATPL material, with no flying experience to refer to?
Does the integrated system therefore compromise pilots knowledge an understanding of aviation and ultimately therefore compromise flight safety?
In my opinion the modular system needs revamping. People should be allowed to do the ATPL exams first before doing their PPL, and therefore be exempt from the 7ppl exams.
Mind you, then the only difference between a mod course and an integrated course would be that a mod guy would have to take a PPL skills test b4 doing his CPL training and test, the integrated guy would not. It would hardly then be worth making a distinction between the two routes, would it?
The upshot of all this, abolish integrated courses!
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The difference is that on an integrated course, you do it all in one go. On a modular course, there's a bit more slack as to how and when you do things. You could easily just do the PPL and then the ATPL part at a later date, whilst on an integrated there is no "PPL part" so you just do it all at once. I hope that's clear as to what i'm getting at