Licence Conversion to JAA

[sandy727]

Does any one know if there exists a bank of questions or a guide for the theory exams for for the JAR (ex CAA) ATPL in the UK and where to obtain same. Perplexingly yours...

[This message has been edited by sandy727 (edited 18 September 2000).]

[eaglejet]

need testimonies about JAA conversion

Hi Folks,

I need some testimonies from people from western europe who did a conversion of an an ICAO licence to a JAA licence in JAA eastern europe countries: slovenia, czech republic......

Did you have any troubles when you went back in your country (UK, Germany, France.......) to get a validation of these JAA licences

thanks

[Pace152]

FAA to JAA Commercial conversion in US?

Hi Y'all,

I'm over here in rainy Florida doing my FAA IR and CPL and was just wondering if its possible to convert from a FAA CPL to JAA CPL in America?

I think it is but you have to do 7 extra exams or something if you don't already have your ATPL exams. It'd be great if anybody out there knows about this stuff?

Thanks.

[flyndad]

Licence Conversion

I am the holder of a Canadian Commercial pilots licence without Instrument rating at this time. Can anyone recommend any schools to complete the conversion training to Frozen ATPL?

[Keygrip]

Canadian schools - for a Canadian ATPL, or what?

[flyndad]

Canadian to JAA.

[Keygrip]

Based on little more than your location, I would say Moncton Flight College, in New Brunswick.

How many hours do you have (and on what type of aircraft) and - even more importantly - have you done the medical or written examinatrions yet?

[PaddyMcGinty]

What school are you at out there? is it any good? I did most of my training in FL also but weather is so bad. I'm going back out to do my FAA CPL/IR but i will defo not be wasting time doing a JAA conversion out there. Will do it in teh UK. I have my ATPLs done with Bristol GS, highly recommended. Get those done and then convert in the UK or europe somewhere.

PMG

[Tinstaafl]

Use the 'Search' function in these forums. You'll find weeks worth of reading to do with converting licences.

[pira]

JAA Conversion Again

Hi Guys,
I've made a lot of researches and I still have some questions about JAA Conversion.
1)Is the UK written examination the same as any other country in EU or each country has its own test?
2)If I decide to convert my FAA ATPL into a JAA, is UK the easiest way or there are other countries that I should take a look?
3)In the UK, do I need to take my skills test in the same acft I'm flying now (B737) or can I just seat in a multi engine piston and go for it (in my ATP, I have B737 and Multi engine piston ratings)?
4)Based on the fact that I'm an airline pilot, fying around 70 hours a month and getting about 11 days off, how much time do you think I would need to complete my studies for each module (7 subjects)?
5)Any other information is also welcome, once I'm gonna start my studies soon.Any information about NAC in Florida?I've read some posts, but I'd like to know if there is anyone that studied at home without the Full Course requirement.
Kind Regards,
Pira

[GusHoneybun]

1) Not sure on this. I think it's the same exam as each member state has responsibility for a particular subject. At the moment, the UK 'owns' humand factors and air law (i believe).

2) The UK is no easier or harder than any other JAR state.

3) To get an ATPL issued on the back of an FAA one, you need to complete an type rating and LST (licence skills test) in the aircraft type you are current in and have over 500 hours multi crew time. In your case, that would be a B737, not a MEP.

4) Really depends on you. Some people manage to complete the distance learning in 8 months, whilst still holding down a full time job. If you can study about 20 hours a week you could have them cracked in about 8-9 months.

[Radar35]

ICAO (UAE) > JAA Licence

Can anyone shed light on transferring ICAO Commercial Pilots Licence issued in UAE to a JAA Licence? Are all the ground subjects required to be re-sat? What is required from a flying point of view?

Cheers all for your help.......(pls don't shoot me down if similar Q has been posted before I could not find anything relevant )


Radar35

[Farrell]

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...rting+ICAO+CPL

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...rting+ICAO+CPL

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...rting+ICAO+CPL

[fullrich]

Faa Conversion Meir

Has anybody or does anyonre know if a FAA ME CPL/IR with an ME VFR restriction ie:no instrument rights on the ME rating can be converted to JAR and what the difference may be in terms of hours required for the conversion??

Thanks

[menikos]

FAA CPL Conversion to JAA CPL

Hello,

anyone could give me or give us good schools where to convert a FAA CPL to a JAA one.

Many thanks.

Cheers.

[BritishGuy]

FAA to JAA conversion (now that I have 1500TT)

Ok, I've finally managed to hit the 1500TT mark. I heard someone tell me that once I have 1500TT I don't have to go though an approved school in order to sit the 14 exams. Any truth in this? I have 1500TT (FAA) but haven't bothered to get the FAA ATP yet. I want to have a stab at the 14 JAR exams, but just want to see if I can do them of my own back as opposed to going though an approved course. I know I'll have someone tell me of the pros of going though the approved course (I passed 12 in a past life and them ran out of sittings), but as I have the notes and all I want to see if I can just do them myself.

Also, does anyone know how often the CAA do the exam sittings in Orlando, Florida? Is it monthly as well, or is it by appointment only? I'm not sure.

[Fellow Aviator]

This 1500h mark you are referring to gives an exemption from the approved course only if you have an ICAO ATPL and (from Bristol’s webpage):

* more than 3000 hours total time on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
* more than 1500 hours pilot in command on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
* type rated on an aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
* more than 500 hours total time on the aircraft above
* able to complete a flight test on the same aircraft

Since you have a FAA CPL a complete course must be done. If you meet the JAR ATPL requirements (500h mcc and so on..), an exemption could be possible. For ATPL requirements check out JAR-FCL 1 http://www.jaa.nl/publications/section1.html

[Dotun]

I think the one you are refering to is this. ATPL(A) holders who have a minimum of 1500 hours flying experience as PIC or Co-pilot on Multi-pilot aeroplanes (or single-pilot aeroplane operated by 2-pilots according to operational requirements). You will have to look at lasors.

In short, what they are saying is that, you need a type rating on your faa atp(not cpl), with 1500 hours on multi-pilot aeroplanes.

Regards
DMan

[Flopsie]

Extract from Lasors

This is what UK Lasors states:
G1.5 JAR-FCL ATPL(A) CONVERSION OF A
NON-JAA PROFESSIONAL LICENCE
A professional pilot licence issued by a non-JAA State
may be converted to a JAR-FCL licence provided that
an arrangement exists between the JAA and the
non-JAA State. This arrangement shall be established
on the basis of reciprocity of licence acceptance and
shall ensure that an equivalent level of safety exists
between the training and testing requirements of the
JAA and non-JAA State. Until such arrangements exist,
the following requirements have been agreed by the
JAA and are now incorporated in JAR-FCL 1.016.
Non-JAA ATPL(A)
The holder of a valid (or non-expiring) ATPL(A) issued
in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State
may be issued with a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) providing the
experience requirements of JAR-FCL 1.280 have been
met. Applicants' must:-
• hold a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate;
• Undertake ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge
instruction as determined by the Head of Training
of an approved training provider, and pass ALL of
the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge
examinations at ATPL(A) level;
• Qualify for the issue of a UK Flight Radio
Telephony Operator’s Licence (FRTOL) -Section
B refers;
• Undertake a multi-pilot aeroplane type rating
course at an approved TRTO (see Appendix 1 to
JAR-FCL 1.220, Part B for a list of types);
• pass the ATPL(A) skill test in accordance with
Appendices 1 and 2 to JAR-FCL 1.240 and 1.295
with, or observed by, a CAA Flight Operations
Training Inspector.
G1.5 Note 1
ATPL(A) holders who have a minimum of 1500 hours
flying experience as PIC or Co-pilot on multi-pilot
aeroplanes (or single-pilot aeroplanes operated by
2-pilots according to operational requirements) and
hold a valid multi-pilot type rating for the aeroplane to
be used for the ATPL(A) skill test and have at least 500
hours experience as pilot on that type, will be exempted
from the requirements to complete an approved TRTO
course or undergo approved training prior to
undertaking the theoretical knowledge examinations
and the skill test. Pilots with less than 500 hours
experience as pilot on the type to be used for the
ATPL(A) skill test will be exempted from the
requirements to undergo approved training prior to
undertaking the theoretical knowledge examinations
but will still be required to complete an approved type
rating course. However, the course may be reduced to
take account of previous experience on the same type
upon recommendation by the TRTO to PLD.
G1.5 Note 2
Different terms apply to ATPL(A) holders with a
minimum of 3,000 hours flying experience as pilot of
public transport aircraft over 30,000kgs MTWA on
scheduled international or similar routes, including a
minimum of 1,500 hours as Pilot-in-Command
(Captain). Applicants who believe they qualify should
apply to PLD for a formal written assessment using
form SRG\1103 and enclosing the appropriate fee,
actual logbooks and non-UK licence (with validating
medical certificate if separate).
Applicants who qualify under these terms will be eligible
to complete reduced requirements for the issue of a
JAR-FCL ATPL(A). With regards to the theoretical
knowledge examinations requirement, a credit will be
given towards the JAR-FCL ATPL(A) examinations,
with the exception of Air Law and Human Performance
and Limitations examinations which will need to be
passed. An applicant who completes the reduced
requirements will be issued with a JAR-FCL ATPL(A)
however, as this licence does not fully comply with the
requirements of JAR-FCL, the holder is not entitled to
automatic recognition accorded to JAR-FCL. The
licence will therefore be issued with the following
statement:
Valid for United Kingdom registered aircraft. As this
licence does not fully comply with JAR-FCL the holder
must have permission from any other JAA Member
State prior to exercising the licence privileges in aircraft
registered in that State.
This endorsement may be removed by obtaining a pass
in all JAR-FCL ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge
examinations. (The 12 remaining JAR-FCL ATPL(A)
examinations will be classed as a new set and attempt
and will be subject to the pass standards as detailed in
Section J1.5).
The holder of a current and valid ATPL(A) who does not
meet the experience requirements for the grant of a
JAR-FCL ATPL(A) can still apply for a JAR-FCL
CPL(A)/IR. Details can be found in Section D1.5.

[Nimbus5]

No Easy Way

I'm not sure why you think 1500 hours gives you a get out of jail free card. If you did have an FAA ATPL, all you could get out of is the CAA's 650 hour study time requirement. It is not possible to sit the exams without a registered training provider putting you up for them. In other words, you could enrol on a distance learning course and do whatever study you saw fit instead of slogging through every last frame of instruction and every progress test. The catch is that all of the schools wish to protect the grade point average of the people they put up for the exams, so they will still require you to take some school tests before they will sign you off as ready for the JAR exams. The CAA hold the schools accountable for their GPAs and the schools won't sacrifice this statistic by throwing your name in the hat willy nilly! It seems like a bit of a racket, but it's hard to argue it's not in the public interest.

In your case, since you don't have the FAA ATPL, you'll have to do the entire course either by distance learning or by sitting in a classroom for 6 months or so as no school can legally waive the 650 hour study requirement, 10% of which must be done in a classroom.