Licence Conversion to JAA
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PPL152,
One small hiccup with your plans.
I am very reliably informed that Spain will only issue a CPL provided you have a Spanish medical and that you have undertaken both flight and theory examinations in Spain.
Does Spain recognise Bristol GS and / or GTS as an approved training organisation for pre-exam theory studies?
I am studying with Bristol and I was told by a Spanish FTO that the Spanish authorities would not permit me to undertake the exams unless I had studied at an approved Spanish FTO (but that may have been sales spin so you would be advised to check with the authority itself).
I am even more reliably informed that the Spanish authorities can be extremely anal (and this source of info I do trust 100%) so be careful - do not tie yourself into any chain of events that are not compatible with the route you wish to take.
As for the FAA IR, no problems. It's an ICAO IR so just requires the JAA theory exams, mandatory 15 hour conversion course and flight test.
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One small hiccup with your plans.
I am very reliably informed that Spain will only issue a CPL provided you have a Spanish medical and that you have undertaken both flight and theory examinations in Spain.
Does Spain recognise Bristol GS and / or GTS as an approved training organisation for pre-exam theory studies?
I am studying with Bristol and I was told by a Spanish FTO that the Spanish authorities would not permit me to undertake the exams unless I had studied at an approved Spanish FTO (but that may have been sales spin so you would be advised to check with the authority itself).
I am even more reliably informed that the Spanish authorities can be extremely anal (and this source of info I do trust 100%) so be careful - do not tie yourself into any chain of events that are not compatible with the route you wish to take.
As for the FAA IR, no problems. It's an ICAO IR so just requires the JAA theory exams, mandatory 15 hour conversion course and flight test.
HTH
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There are quite a few FAA/JAA schools in the US that can provide both for you. There is no need to obtain FAA certificates - you can do JAA CPL/ME from scratch.
Just my two cents...
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The days were you had to get an FAA certificate to convert to JAA are long gone in the US.
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Okey dokey.
Simple question.
What exactly do you wish to achieve, i.e. your long term goals?
Do you wish to fly JAA member state registered aircraft or do you wish to fly US registered aircraft? Where do you wish to fly? Do you want to fly for the airlines or are your sights set a little differently? What stage of training are you presently at?
The answers to these will make the advice easier to give.
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Simple question.
What exactly do you wish to achieve, i.e. your long term goals?
Do you wish to fly JAA member state registered aircraft or do you wish to fly US registered aircraft? Where do you wish to fly? Do you want to fly for the airlines or are your sights set a little differently? What stage of training are you presently at?
The answers to these will make the advice easier to give.
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What exactly do you wish to achieve, i.e. your long term goals?
Do you wish to fly JAA member state registered aircraft or do you wish to fly US registered aircraft? Where do you wish to fly? Do you want to fly for the airlines or are your sights set a little differently? What stage of training are you presently at?
1) My goal is to fly for a living
2) I wish to fly in JAA member state.
3) Yes I would like to fly for an airline - turboprops or jets. I would not mind Instructing at all, also.
4) I have finished PPL last May, and next Summer I am starting ATPL theory.
Do you wish to fly JAA member state registered aircraft or do you wish to fly US registered aircraft? Where do you wish to fly? Do you want to fly for the airlines or are your sights set a little differently? What stage of training are you presently at?
1) My goal is to fly for a living
2) I wish to fly in JAA member state.
3) Yes I would like to fly for an airline - turboprops or jets. I would not mind Instructing at all, also.
4) I have finished PPL last May, and next Summer I am starting ATPL theory.
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US to UK license/rating conversions...
Hi Everyone,
Although I've already had a look through various forums and discussion places, there doesn't seem to be any one/central location for concise, easily disseminated information relating to converting a USA FAA-issued PPL/CPL/IR/Multi Rating to the UK equivalent.
In saying this, I'm fully aware that the British CAA's website does contain most, if not all, the information I require (specifically, the LASOR’s section - http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?categoryid=175&pagetype=68&groupid=780) ... it's just not the easiest to read and I’m certain, if not hoping, that some of you guys have had the dubious pleasure of trying to establish what’s involved in this type matter.
For background purposes then:
1. I currently hold a FAA issued ASEL PPL
2. Am about to move to the USA on a J-1 visa in order to complete further training such that I obtain my CPL, IR and Multi-Engine ratings
3. I’ll then be embarking on my CFI, CFII and MEI training courses
4. Set to work as an instructor for the flight school for a while
5. Then set to return to the UK around July ‘08
6. Work as a commercial pilot with an instrument, multi-engine and instructor ratings in and around Southern Scotland
7. Specifically interested in the conversion process necessary in order to ensure that I have point 6 covered!!
8. Keep wondering:
ü Is this the best way to complete the flight training I desire (i.e. doing it in the US)
ü How truly interchangeable/compatible are the UK and US issued licenses?
ü IS the USA a member of the JAA states?
ü Does JAR-Compliant mean anything for real in terms of converting to the UK system after my training has been completed?
ü I know I can’t afford to do the same amount of courses/training in the UK for the same amount of money but is that reason enough?
ü How many other pilots out there like me have gone battled with the same dilemma and/or situation?
Thanks in advance and hope to hear from you all,
Justin.
I’m aware that most of you guys know exactly what the abbreviations I’ve used throughout this post stand for, but just to avoid any confusion:
FAA – Federal Aviation Authority/Administration
CAA – British Civil Aviation Authority
ASEL – Aircraft Single Engine Land
PPL – Private Pilot License
CPL – Commercial Pilot License
IR – Instrument Rating
CFI – Certified Flight Instructor
CFII – Certified Flight Instructor for Instrument
MEI – Multi Engine Instructor
Although I've already had a look through various forums and discussion places, there doesn't seem to be any one/central location for concise, easily disseminated information relating to converting a USA FAA-issued PPL/CPL/IR/Multi Rating to the UK equivalent.
In saying this, I'm fully aware that the British CAA's website does contain most, if not all, the information I require (specifically, the LASOR’s section - http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?categoryid=175&pagetype=68&groupid=780) ... it's just not the easiest to read and I’m certain, if not hoping, that some of you guys have had the dubious pleasure of trying to establish what’s involved in this type matter.
For background purposes then:
1. I currently hold a FAA issued ASEL PPL
2. Am about to move to the USA on a J-1 visa in order to complete further training such that I obtain my CPL, IR and Multi-Engine ratings
3. I’ll then be embarking on my CFI, CFII and MEI training courses
4. Set to work as an instructor for the flight school for a while
5. Then set to return to the UK around July ‘08
6. Work as a commercial pilot with an instrument, multi-engine and instructor ratings in and around Southern Scotland
7. Specifically interested in the conversion process necessary in order to ensure that I have point 6 covered!!
8. Keep wondering:
ü Is this the best way to complete the flight training I desire (i.e. doing it in the US)
ü How truly interchangeable/compatible are the UK and US issued licenses?
ü IS the USA a member of the JAA states?
ü Does JAR-Compliant mean anything for real in terms of converting to the UK system after my training has been completed?
ü I know I can’t afford to do the same amount of courses/training in the UK for the same amount of money but is that reason enough?
ü How many other pilots out there like me have gone battled with the same dilemma and/or situation?
Thanks in advance and hope to hear from you all,
Justin.
I’m aware that most of you guys know exactly what the abbreviations I’ve used throughout this post stand for, but just to avoid any confusion:
FAA – Federal Aviation Authority/Administration
CAA – British Civil Aviation Authority
ASEL – Aircraft Single Engine Land
PPL – Private Pilot License
CPL – Commercial Pilot License
IR – Instrument Rating
CFI – Certified Flight Instructor
CFII – Certified Flight Instructor for Instrument
MEI – Multi Engine Instructor
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You'll find all this pretty much by doing a search using the PPrune search engine, but in summary:
- You will not be able to work anywhere in Europe (under the JAA regulations) with your FAA licence unless you are flying an N reg aircraft.
- Your FAA CPL/ME/IR will need converting - if under 1500hrs TT = approved ground school (650hrs) 14 JAA written exams, CPL skills test and IR skills test (the IR requires a min. of 15hrs training to convert)
- If over 1500hrs TT you need to do whatever ground training is deemed necessary by the head ground instructor of a recognised FTU to write the exams. Skills tests still apply.
That's the bottom line. Hope it helps.
- You will not be able to work anywhere in Europe (under the JAA regulations) with your FAA licence unless you are flying an N reg aircraft.
- Your FAA CPL/ME/IR will need converting - if under 1500hrs TT = approved ground school (650hrs) 14 JAA written exams, CPL skills test and IR skills test (the IR requires a min. of 15hrs training to convert)
- If over 1500hrs TT you need to do whatever ground training is deemed necessary by the head ground instructor of a recognised FTU to write the exams. Skills tests still apply.
That's the bottom line. Hope it helps.
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licence conversion to JAA
i have 16000 hrs flying props in asia/australia, have a us atp and aussie atpl,i read the lasors, studied bristow, and other training schools,from what i can see there is no way to avoid the 14 subjects and 15 hrs flying and a skills test to get a jar licence? am i correct OR can i get a 6 month validation through ireland, greece or anywhere else in europe.someone told me in the UK you can get 12 month validation on your licence but a lot of people say no.
any comments are appreciated guys
any comments are appreciated guys
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Non JAA ATPL Exemptions
Fokkerkazak...
The only way around the exams and ground school is if you hold an ICAO ATPL, with 3000+ hrs and 1500hrs PIC on a transport category aircraft with a MTOW of +30,000kgs. That is a UK CAA mandate (and no doubt JAA too) At that point you have to write to the CAA and inform them of your experience. I believe it is then a case of writing the air law exam only and perhaps a sim check on your respective type.
The only way around the exams and ground school is if you hold an ICAO ATPL, with 3000+ hrs and 1500hrs PIC on a transport category aircraft with a MTOW of +30,000kgs. That is a UK CAA mandate (and no doubt JAA too) At that point you have to write to the CAA and inform them of your experience. I believe it is then a case of writing the air law exam only and perhaps a sim check on your respective type.
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FAA ATP Conversion to JAA ATPL on A320
Hello,I hold a FAA ATPL with type rating on the A320 with time on type more than 500 hrs and looking for a sim partner to share cost of a skill test. I am looking for a person who have completed all 14 JAA atpl exams and hold a A320 typerating with more than 500 hr on type (requried) and total time more than 1500hrs (req). If you have the experince above you can convert your FAA ATP into a JAA ATPL by doing a skill test on the A320. Let me know if anyone are interested.Thanks
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You're in the wrong forum - this one is for ab-initio pilots still trying to get their initial licence. !500+ hour pilots will be found in 'Terms and Endearments'.
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converting license
hi i have a newzealand commercial license and i was thinking of doing the JAA atpl subjects do i need to convert my license before sitting the exams or i can sit all the written exams without converting my newzealand license
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Hi,
I had to do the same thing with an FAA licence.
You can only convert the flying portion when you pass the 14 exams (for a full CPL/IR), you can start it but it would be foolish as your currency and rustiness will set in. Put aside 4 months absolute minimum to do the 14, then a further 4 weeks to convert (perfect VFR and no backlogs with examiners).
The minimums you can do are as follows:
For the CPL Conversion - Hours as required
For the IR Conversion - 10 hours sim & 5 hours aircraft
Also factor in the following:
Test fees:
CAA - £691 x2, £60 x14, £210 licence issue, Class 1 Medical £450ish
At the school:
RT exam - £35, £100 x2 170A Test Fee
Weather in the UK being **** - extra 4 - 6 weeks accommodation
I had to do the same thing with an FAA licence.
You can only convert the flying portion when you pass the 14 exams (for a full CPL/IR), you can start it but it would be foolish as your currency and rustiness will set in. Put aside 4 months absolute minimum to do the 14, then a further 4 weeks to convert (perfect VFR and no backlogs with examiners).
The minimums you can do are as follows:
For the CPL Conversion - Hours as required
For the IR Conversion - 10 hours sim & 5 hours aircraft
Also factor in the following:
Test fees:
CAA - £691 x2, £60 x14, £210 licence issue, Class 1 Medical £450ish
At the school:
RT exam - £35, £100 x2 170A Test Fee
Weather in the UK being **** - extra 4 - 6 weeks accommodation
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ICAO to JAR
G'day aviators,
I wish to change my Australian CPL, MECIR, FIR and endorsements into the JAR version in order to work in Europe and also to meet the minimum requirements in order to do a jet rating.
Has anyone been down this path? Where is the best place in UK to convert the ICAO CPL/MECIR into the JAR?
Thanks
I wish to change my Australian CPL, MECIR, FIR and endorsements into the JAR version in order to work in Europe and also to meet the minimum requirements in order to do a jet rating.
Has anyone been down this path? Where is the best place in UK to convert the ICAO CPL/MECIR into the JAR?
Thanks
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Convert Australian CPL ATPL to JAR ??
can anyone tell me what the best way would be to convert my licence from an Australian CPL / ATPL to an JAR
or is it easer to covert to a UK CPL ATPL or do you have to now have a JAR ?
thanks
or is it easer to covert to a UK CPL ATPL or do you have to now have a JAR ?
thanks
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The easiest way is to have a total time of +3,000 hours with +1,500 hours in command of aircraft 30 tonne or more in primarily international or equivalent operations. However, that restricts you to G reg aircraft.
To answer your question you should go to LASORS on the CAA (UK) SRG site and sift through those. It's not an easy read but it should answer your questions.
The "easiest" way does depend on your hours and types flown.
An unofficial guide, details MUST be checked.
**in all of the below cases, 14 JAA ATPL subjects must be done**
**CPL training JAA style, some flying required.**
**IR training, JAA style. Looking at 15 hours min, some can be in a synthetic trainer**
**JAA subjects cover CPL and IR subjects, so no need to duplicate**
**JAA medical must be done, for the UK, this needs to be done at Gatwick**
Aus CPL with CIR and ATPL subjects completed. = JAA CPL with IR with ATPL subjects completed. Need to do MCC. (also known as "frozen ATPL")
Aus ATPL with CIR, no multi crew time = JAA CPL with IR with ATPL subjects completed. Need to do MCC.
Aus ATPL with CIR, 500 hours Bandeirante {FO or command} (ie not JAR 25 aircraft) in RPT ops = JAA ATPL, need letter from company explaining time was done multi crew. Need to do a type rating (JAR 25 type) with a TRTO and do the LST observed by the CAA. Don't want to do that and fly a piston. JAA CPL + IR, MCC exempt so long as you have the letter.
Aus ATPL with CIR, 500 hours Dash 8 or 737 {FO or command} (ie JAR 25 compliant) = JAA ATPL. Need only to do enough sim stuff to get you up to speed and pass an LST observed by the CAA.
Source documents.
LASORS CAA SRG
JARs www.jaa.nl
To answer your question you should go to LASORS on the CAA (UK) SRG site and sift through those. It's not an easy read but it should answer your questions.
The "easiest" way does depend on your hours and types flown.
An unofficial guide, details MUST be checked.
**in all of the below cases, 14 JAA ATPL subjects must be done**
**CPL training JAA style, some flying required.**
**IR training, JAA style. Looking at 15 hours min, some can be in a synthetic trainer**
**JAA subjects cover CPL and IR subjects, so no need to duplicate**
**JAA medical must be done, for the UK, this needs to be done at Gatwick**
Aus CPL with CIR and ATPL subjects completed. = JAA CPL with IR with ATPL subjects completed. Need to do MCC. (also known as "frozen ATPL")
Aus ATPL with CIR, no multi crew time = JAA CPL with IR with ATPL subjects completed. Need to do MCC.
Aus ATPL with CIR, 500 hours Bandeirante {FO or command} (ie not JAR 25 aircraft) in RPT ops = JAA ATPL, need letter from company explaining time was done multi crew. Need to do a type rating (JAR 25 type) with a TRTO and do the LST observed by the CAA. Don't want to do that and fly a piston. JAA CPL + IR, MCC exempt so long as you have the letter.
Aus ATPL with CIR, 500 hours Dash 8 or 737 {FO or command} (ie JAR 25 compliant) = JAA ATPL. Need only to do enough sim stuff to get you up to speed and pass an LST observed by the CAA.
Source documents.
LASORS CAA SRG
JARs www.jaa.nl
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convert to JAR in the UK or USA?
thanks it appears very complex to convert over to a JAR licence, just silly. Would anyone recommend doing the converstion in the USA or in the UK?
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Faa Cpl
hello guys, i have FAA CPL/ME/IR and about 500TT. i was wondering if there is any airline in Europe that still hires FAA pilots. Also i need to know if i decide to convert to JAA, do i still have to pass all 14 exams? Does JAA give any credit to FAA licenses or credit for college degrees. i have MBA in aviation management. thank you very much. Any responds are welcome.
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