Licence Conversion to JAA
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I'm trying the same way, the austrian way, but no chance this year. I have spoken to austrocontrol to convert my faa atp in a jaa one, but they have no jaa approved flight school offering the ground course. Now I try the UK-way, there is a ground school called bristol.gs, check it out.
http://www.bristol.gs/licence_atpl_conversions.php
http://www.bristol.gs/licence_atpl_conversions.php
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Cost from FAA to JAA?
Hey guys.
I plan on in the future making a move to Europe, and hopefully flying there. I plan on finishing up my flight training here in the U.S and get some expierience here before making the move. Now I know to convert licenses from FAA to JAA theres a bunch of studying and 14 written exams to take. Now the question is, How much would it cost me to convert up to ATP from FAA to JAA?? Thanks for your help.
I plan on in the future making a move to Europe, and hopefully flying there. I plan on finishing up my flight training here in the U.S and get some expierience here before making the move. Now I know to convert licenses from FAA to JAA theres a bunch of studying and 14 written exams to take. Now the question is, How much would it cost me to convert up to ATP from FAA to JAA?? Thanks for your help.
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Conversion of Australian ATPL (A) and CPL (H) to JAR/JAA equiv.
Scroggs et al go easy on me, I've searched the database and couldn't find and answer. 
I hold Aussie ATPL aeroplane and CPL Helo with the ATPL theory completed. I am about to commence the process of conversion to JAR/JAA for both aeroplane and helicopter. I have skimmed through the LASORS yet I am still wondering if there are common subjects in the ATPL course that apply to both aeroplane and helicopter?
Worst case is that I have to do all 14 subjects for both, which would be too expensive for me.
I know in Australia there are common subjects.
Thanks for any help or suggestions!!
I hold Aussie ATPL aeroplane and CPL Helo with the ATPL theory completed. I am about to commence the process of conversion to JAR/JAA for both aeroplane and helicopter. I have skimmed through the LASORS yet I am still wondering if there are common subjects in the ATPL course that apply to both aeroplane and helicopter?
Worst case is that I have to do all 14 subjects for both, which would be too expensive for me.
I know in Australia there are common subjects.
Thanks for any help or suggestions!!
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hey i am in the exact same situation... I called orlando flight training in the us who do part of the conversions... www.flyoft.com seemed pretty nice but it is pretty expensive it seems like. Expect 8 hrs of flight in the USA the writtens, but to get your IR you need he said about 15-20hrs on avg then u need to complete the mcc training. The kicker is i need a caa class 1 to start which means i have to goto Europe to do that. Not sure what to do if anyone has some suggestions that would be great...
3400 usd for the written
10500usd for the ir conversion to be completed in the UK
4000usd for the mcc... to be completed in the UK
Not sure if these prices are good or bad still researching it.
mcflyer83
3400 usd for the written
10500usd for the ir conversion to be completed in the UK
4000usd for the mcc... to be completed in the UK
Not sure if these prices are good or bad still researching it.
mcflyer83
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Has any one actually done the ATPL conversion using the expierence exemption?
My question is: I have over 6000 hours, with over 1500 on international jet ops - but our a/c is under 30,000KGs [24,000]. Do they ever make exceptions to the 30,000 rule, or am I wasting my time?
My question is: I have over 6000 hours, with over 1500 on international jet ops - but our a/c is under 30,000KGs [24,000]. Do they ever make exceptions to the 30,000 rule, or am I wasting my time?
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They never make exeptions to this rule, I'm afraid. What is more its a UK only exemption and your JAA license obtained through this route need not be accepted by other JAA states at face value. Ireland probably would accept it, though, if you're thinking of Ryanair.
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Alex
Thanks, Not thinking of Ryanair. A UK operator has offered me a new job on a similar Jet to the one i fly now.
Seems a bit much to have to sit 14 exam papers just to carry on doing essentially what i'm currently doing just because the aircraft is registered in a different country.
And before you ask, yes i'm a UK citizen.
Thanks, Not thinking of Ryanair. A UK operator has offered me a new job on a similar Jet to the one i fly now.
Seems a bit much to have to sit 14 exam papers just to carry on doing essentially what i'm currently doing just because the aircraft is registered in a different country.
And before you ask, yes i'm a UK citizen.
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Help please - ICAO ATPL to UK / JAA ATPL
Hi,
I am interested in finding out about converting my ICAO Australian & New Zealand ATPL's to the UK / JAA equivalent. I have had a look at the LASORs and tried getting an answer from UK CAA but no joy so far.
I have also observed on the Bristol Groundschool website the following with respect to converting an ICAO ATPL to a UK / JAA equivalent:
and
The aircraft I fly is a Swearingen (Fairchild) Metroliner. It was originally certificated as a single-pilot aircraft by the FAA, however our company Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) require the aircraft to be flown as genuine 2 crew operations. All the flying I have undertaken on the aircraft can be verified by our company as 2 crew ops and also with the Australian Regulator (the Civil Aviation Safety Authority - CASA) as this being the case.
Assuming I had 1500 + hours on type in 2 crew ops, would this experience on this aircraft (with appropriate documentation from CASA and my employer) satisfy the requirement described above from their website to convert the licence by only sitting the 14 theory exams (obviating the need to complete an approved ground training course and an Instrument rating)?
Would I have to fly a Metroliner for the skills test to qualify under this category or could another aircraft I am endorsed on suffice (e.g. Beech Baron or similar for economic reasons - as per your paragraph below which states the skills test can be done in a "complex aircraft"?).
Could the skills test combine an instrument rating assessment as well as ATPL flight test?
Could the skills test be undertaken in an approved flight simulator?
Would having the 1500 hours on the Metroliner in the 2 crew operations our company runs, would that satisfy the UK CAA with respect to the Instrument Rating and Skills Test also?
Does the UK CAA require a pilot to have flown a manufacturer certificated 2 crew aircraft to qualify (e.g. Dash 8, Saab 340, B737, etc)?
Would I qualify for the Multi-crew Coordination Course approval now also?
What evidence is required?
Would a letter from my Chief Pilot validating my 2 crew experience totals accompanied with a excerpt from our company operations manual stating that the operations were conducted 2 crew as Standard Operating Procedures suffice to exempt me from the requirement to complete a MCC?
I would appreciate any help as I am planning on converting my licence to the UK / JAA ATPL soon
kind regards,
Turbinejunkie
I am interested in finding out about converting my ICAO Australian & New Zealand ATPL's to the UK / JAA equivalent. I have had a look at the LASORs and tried getting an answer from UK CAA but no joy so far.
I have also observed on the Bristol Groundschool website the following with respect to converting an ICAO ATPL to a UK / JAA equivalent:
ATPL Conversions
If you are converting a non-JAA ATPL the number of ground and flight tests you need to complete depends on your experience.
(A) High Time Pilots
If you are very experienced you should you should apply to the CAA for a formal assessment using Form SRG 1103.
The qualifying criteria are
more than 3000 hours total time on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
more than 1500 hours pilot in command on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
type rated on an aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
more than 500 hours total time on the aircraft above
able to complete a flight test on the same aircraft
When you have completed the assessment form you need to send it or take it to the CAA with your original licences and log books. The CAA will tell you that you need to pass two written exams, Human Performance and Aviation Law, and pass a flight test on the aircraft you are rated on. The flight test is referred to as a skills test, it is part handling check and part IR renewal check.
(B) Experienced In Two Pilot Operations
If you don't meet the criteria above but have more than 1500 hours on two-pilot aircraft, are type rated already and have more than 500 hours on type
you need to pass all 14 ground exams but don't need to attend a formal groundschool course. You will need to pass a skills test on the aircraft you are rated on.
If you are converting a non-JAA ATPL the number of ground and flight tests you need to complete depends on your experience.
(A) High Time Pilots
If you are very experienced you should you should apply to the CAA for a formal assessment using Form SRG 1103.
The qualifying criteria are
more than 3000 hours total time on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
more than 1500 hours pilot in command on aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
type rated on an aircraft of more than 30,000kg AUW
more than 500 hours total time on the aircraft above
able to complete a flight test on the same aircraft
When you have completed the assessment form you need to send it or take it to the CAA with your original licences and log books. The CAA will tell you that you need to pass two written exams, Human Performance and Aviation Law, and pass a flight test on the aircraft you are rated on. The flight test is referred to as a skills test, it is part handling check and part IR renewal check.
(B) Experienced In Two Pilot Operations
If you don't meet the criteria above but have more than 1500 hours on two-pilot aircraft, are type rated already and have more than 500 hours on type
you need to pass all 14 ground exams but don't need to attend a formal groundschool course. You will need to pass a skills test on the aircraft you are rated on.
(C) None of the Above
If you fall into neither category above for whatever reason but still hold an ATPL you must complete an approved course of ground training and get your application form signed by your training provider before you sit the full set of ATPL exams. The length of the course can be reduced at the discretion of the Head of Training.
You need to complete two separate flight tests:
A Skills Test
An Instrument Rating
The skills test is a handling check flown on a complex aircraft, defined as an aircraft with retractable gear and a variable pitch prop. There is no formal training requirement before the test but you should anticipate 5 to 10 hours to get used to the profile and the aircraft.
If you hold an ATPL you must, by definition, also hold an ICAO IR. This needs to be converted to a JAA IR. The training requirement to convert is to complete at least 15 hours before the test, up to ten can be completed in a flight simulator.
If you fall into neither category above for whatever reason but still hold an ATPL you must complete an approved course of ground training and get your application form signed by your training provider before you sit the full set of ATPL exams. The length of the course can be reduced at the discretion of the Head of Training.
You need to complete two separate flight tests:
A Skills Test
An Instrument Rating
The skills test is a handling check flown on a complex aircraft, defined as an aircraft with retractable gear and a variable pitch prop. There is no formal training requirement before the test but you should anticipate 5 to 10 hours to get used to the profile and the aircraft.
If you hold an ATPL you must, by definition, also hold an ICAO IR. This needs to be converted to a JAA IR. The training requirement to convert is to complete at least 15 hours before the test, up to ten can be completed in a flight simulator.
Assuming I had 1500 + hours on type in 2 crew ops, would this experience on this aircraft (with appropriate documentation from CASA and my employer) satisfy the requirement described above from their website to convert the licence by only sitting the 14 theory exams (obviating the need to complete an approved ground training course and an Instrument rating)?
Would I have to fly a Metroliner for the skills test to qualify under this category or could another aircraft I am endorsed on suffice (e.g. Beech Baron or similar for economic reasons - as per your paragraph below which states the skills test can be done in a "complex aircraft"?).
Could the skills test combine an instrument rating assessment as well as ATPL flight test?
Could the skills test be undertaken in an approved flight simulator?
Would having the 1500 hours on the Metroliner in the 2 crew operations our company runs, would that satisfy the UK CAA with respect to the Instrument Rating and Skills Test also?
Does the UK CAA require a pilot to have flown a manufacturer certificated 2 crew aircraft to qualify (e.g. Dash 8, Saab 340, B737, etc)?
Would I qualify for the Multi-crew Coordination Course approval now also?
What evidence is required?
Would a letter from my Chief Pilot validating my 2 crew experience totals accompanied with a excerpt from our company operations manual stating that the operations were conducted 2 crew as Standard Operating Procedures suffice to exempt me from the requirement to complete a MCC?
I would appreciate any help as I am planning on converting my licence to the UK / JAA ATPL soon
kind regards,
Turbinejunkie
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License conversion
Hello everyone!
Can someone please tell me if a license is converted eg from one country 'following' a JAA based syllabus to another country also following the JAA does the original license becomes irrelevant?
For example I get a UAE GCAA and then convert to Qatar QCAA will my original UAE license expire?
Also same for FAA to JAA?
I'm really confused on where which license is accepted.
Can someone please tell me if a license is converted eg from one country 'following' a JAA based syllabus to another country also following the JAA does the original license becomes irrelevant?
For example I get a UAE GCAA and then convert to Qatar QCAA will my original UAE license expire?
Also same for FAA to JAA?
I'm really confused on where which license is accepted.
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Hi,
I am converting my Australian ICAO CPL lisense to UK JAA CPL a the moment. In order for me to do that i have to jump through all the hoops that the UK sylabus demands, but at the end of it all I end up having a
UK CPL and Australian CPL, you should end up with both once your qualifications are recognized by the other country.(Shouldn't be too hard since there both GCC countrys) You of course will have to meet the requirements of keeping your lisense valid eg. flight reviews etc.
I am converting my Australian ICAO CPL lisense to UK JAA CPL a the moment. In order for me to do that i have to jump through all the hoops that the UK sylabus demands, but at the end of it all I end up having a
UK CPL and Australian CPL, you should end up with both once your qualifications are recognized by the other country.(Shouldn't be too hard since there both GCC countrys) You of course will have to meet the requirements of keeping your lisense valid eg. flight reviews etc.
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Oh look! Your post has found its way on to a thread all about this exact subject! I wonder how that happened? Perhaps, if you'd looked a few lines down from the top on the front page of Wannabes, you'd have found it yourself. Or you could have tried a search. 
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aftrburner, just to explain, it's quite common for new posters to post without looking if the topic has been covered before. Something not very appreciated by our beloved skipper and moderator. In case you're wondering he was actually giving you a compliment
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Was I? Sorry if I'm a bit intolerant today; there's been an unusually high number of first-posters who haven't opened their eyes or engaged brain before posting. This was one - his post's here because I moved it here. The next test is whether he can find it again...
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FAA to JAA? needs flying or what?
Hey all,
I have a FAA multi IFR license and a JAA single IFR with frozen ATPL which i resently got..
Now to make the JAA multi IFR i have been told from 2 schools in greece that i need 6 hours on a twin for the multi and another 5 hours for the IFR on the twin.. Total cost with exams are reaching over 6000euro!!!
I just payed so much for the Frozen atpl course!..
By luck i was checking some schools in Holland through a relative and they said something like u only need to do some paper work no flying at all and it will cost something like 700 euro?!?!?!( to convert FAA stuff to JAA or something) I was shocked am im looking still into this but I would like to hear your guys knowledge on this matter!
Thanks
I have a FAA multi IFR license and a JAA single IFR with frozen ATPL which i resently got..
Now to make the JAA multi IFR i have been told from 2 schools in greece that i need 6 hours on a twin for the multi and another 5 hours for the IFR on the twin.. Total cost with exams are reaching over 6000euro!!!
I just payed so much for the Frozen atpl course!..
By luck i was checking some schools in Holland through a relative and they said something like u only need to do some paper work no flying at all and it will cost something like 700 euro?!?!?!( to convert FAA stuff to JAA or something) I was shocked am im looking still into this but I would like to hear your guys knowledge on this matter!
Thanks
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I believe the greek schools are right man,you have to do all this course.Did you have b taksis single?That was probably your mistake.When i converted my faa to greek hcaa some years ago i had them multi ifr and when jaa came along i had to do the written only 14 exams.Hurry up A3 is going to employ people in 1,2 months from now as it is heard