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The cheaper option
Well congratulations for first getting to this point, you are in a very lucky situation but unfortunately it is somewhat of a catch 22. To answer your question outright, you can log anytime in an aircraft that has a vh registration to count towards your 200 hours CPL, as well as some forms of ultralights and ballooning.
In terms of meeting the actual requirements, look to the VFR sylabus and the x-country hours are there, unless your transporting the AC to another point which you have planned up and is some distance away you dont log it.
Although I never came across any offical ruling. Sorry I would look up the offical documentation but all stuff is back in Oz
Coming home soon enough though 
I did this by towing gliders for a couple of clubs and had some great times. Make sure you have a mutual understanding of what the people you work for want though, every operator knows that you are there to build your hours, but they additionally want to conserve them. As you progress in your flying skills you will be expected to cramp your circut and cut things in a little closer. This will come with time and practice.
It is important to remember that when you are doing this that you should never let the training of your instructors let slip by - you were taught everything for a reason, and when you have no one sitting there beside you telling you what to do you may find yourself you can do it better. Although better is not always safer, just remember you are not going to be top gun straight out.
Try never to get into an uncomfortable situation, you will be more greatly respected for telling some people that you are not comfortable conducting operations in conditions rather than laying on your back spead eagle to all their demands. Some operators will try and f@Łk
you over for a quick buck. Honnesty is always the best policy, discuss what and why you are uncomfortable with things, more often than not people will be happy to hand out the advice you need.
The other important factor is at the end of the day, while although you may have logged the 300 or more hours and want to sit your commercial your proceedures will be lacking slightly. If you have the money fly GA about once a month, or if not try and keep interested in the new airspace boundraies, try and backseat a nav, ferry fly anything you can get your hands on, or just plan over old flights and the basic of it all.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you have a ball of a time, stick and rudder is a lot of fun and you will fal in love with your aircraft of choise before too long.
ps. if you are looking for other private operation startings there are a couple of cattle companies that run C182 and 206's. But you have to be suited to the conditions, i'll pass on some contacts if your interested but they usually want around 180+ hours, pm me.
Bon chance...
In terms of meeting the actual requirements, look to the VFR sylabus and the x-country hours are there, unless your transporting the AC to another point which you have planned up and is some distance away you dont log it.
Although I never came across any offical ruling. Sorry I would look up the offical documentation but all stuff is back in Oz
Coming home soon enough though I did this by towing gliders for a couple of clubs and had some great times. Make sure you have a mutual understanding of what the people you work for want though, every operator knows that you are there to build your hours, but they additionally want to conserve them. As you progress in your flying skills you will be expected to cramp your circut and cut things in a little closer. This will come with time and practice.
It is important to remember that when you are doing this that you should never let the training of your instructors let slip by - you were taught everything for a reason, and when you have no one sitting there beside you telling you what to do you may find yourself you can do it better. Although better is not always safer, just remember you are not going to be top gun straight out.
Try never to get into an uncomfortable situation, you will be more greatly respected for telling some people that you are not comfortable conducting operations in conditions rather than laying on your back spead eagle to all their demands. Some operators will try and f@Łk
you over for a quick buck. Honnesty is always the best policy, discuss what and why you are uncomfortable with things, more often than not people will be happy to hand out the advice you need.The other important factor is at the end of the day, while although you may have logged the 300 or more hours and want to sit your commercial your proceedures will be lacking slightly. If you have the money fly GA about once a month, or if not try and keep interested in the new airspace boundraies, try and backseat a nav, ferry fly anything you can get your hands on, or just plan over old flights and the basic of it all.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you have a ball of a time, stick and rudder is a lot of fun and you will fal in love with your aircraft of choise before too long.
ps. if you are looking for other private operation startings there are a couple of cattle companies that run C182 and 206's. But you have to be suited to the conditions, i'll pass on some contacts if your interested but they usually want around 180+ hours, pm me.
Bon chance...
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I would say go for it.Flying is flying and u will get some good experience.All flying done as a pilot (opposide to a passanger) is logged in ur logbook and will count in ur CPL.As mentioned before they r local flingts unless going to some distant dropzone.Just out of intrest which club is it?
Best of luck
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Best of luck
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Hour building and cheap flights
I am hoping to get my final 6 ATPLs done by mid-May 2007 and need to look at the hour building question shortly thereafter.
Naples looks good inasmuch as it's got Florida's pre-hurricane season weather (?) but some say the flying is a bit dull. Any views on the weather and/or flying most welcome.
Anglo American looks good and has California's arguably even better weather and some say the flying is more exciting (?). Any views on the weather and/or flying is also most welcome.
Finally, does anyone know where the cheapest flights to/from Florida and California might be found. I can't seem to pay less than Ł450 pp around May and that's just to FLA? Seems a bit steep to me.
Cheers all,
Naples looks good inasmuch as it's got Florida's pre-hurricane season weather (?) but some say the flying is a bit dull. Any views on the weather and/or flying most welcome.
Anglo American looks good and has California's arguably even better weather and some say the flying is more exciting (?). Any views on the weather and/or flying is also most welcome.
Finally, does anyone know where the cheapest flights to/from Florida and California might be found. I can't seem to pay less than Ł450 pp around May and that's just to FLA? Seems a bit steep to me.
Cheers all,
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Naples is a great place to fly from. But it really doesnt matter which school you choose to do your hour building with, do NOT just book the airplane do a few circuits and land again. You have the whole of the USA to fly, why not book a trip from Naples to California! that way you experience some good terrain, airports and you practice your navigation techniques.
Pick the flight school that offers the best aircraft at the cheapest prices. Naples air Center is good, the planes are old but the C172 are not bad. Shop around, but again it doesnt matter where you choose as you wont be staying there anyway.
Pick the flight school that offers the best aircraft at the cheapest prices. Naples air Center is good, the planes are old but the C172 are not bad. Shop around, but again it doesnt matter where you choose as you wont be staying there anyway.
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Saving Unused Hours
I am coming to the end of my PPL and hour building and can say I've had a thoroughly good time! Great Instuction and a good atmosphere.
I have been building hours steadily but will be leaving on feb 5th without having finished all of them (50 left).
My question is, should I save these hours, and complete them after my ATPL studies (so that I have had good practice prior to my CPL/IR), or get them out of the way now?
No right or wrong answers but I'm debating weather to stay on now or come back later.
Thanks kindly
Rossco
PS My initial thoughts are to come back later, but am interested to hear what others have done. 
I have been building hours steadily but will be leaving on feb 5th without having finished all of them (50 left).
My question is, should I save these hours, and complete them after my ATPL studies (so that I have had good practice prior to my CPL/IR), or get them out of the way now?
No right or wrong answers but I'm debating weather to stay on now or come back later.
Thanks kindly
Rossco
PS My initial thoughts are to come back later, but am interested to hear what others have done.
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I've read this thread with interest and now have a question to throw in the mixer.
Has anyone done an aerobatic/upset course with the same school/club that they did some hour building with.
I'm thinking that to start off my hour building with a course like that and then proceed to do my 100 or so hours with the extra bit of confidence such a course would give would be a good idea.
Anyone done it or know of anywhere in the usual Hour Building locations that offer such things. If not I might do the course in the UK and then potter off to the land of cheap fuel afterwards.
Cheers all
Has anyone done an aerobatic/upset course with the same school/club that they did some hour building with.
I'm thinking that to start off my hour building with a course like that and then proceed to do my 100 or so hours with the extra bit of confidence such a course would give would be a good idea.
Anyone done it or know of anywhere in the usual Hour Building locations that offer such things. If not I might do the course in the UK and then potter off to the land of cheap fuel afterwards.
Cheers all
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I think you should have a look in the USA 
. You will have to make I guess few hours with a CFI to get familiar with airspace , regulations ... but after the cost of one hour of 172 or even multi is really cheap comparing to what it cost in Europe .
JB
. You will have to make I guess few hours with a CFI to get familiar with airspace , regulations ... but after the cost of one hour of 172 or even multi is really cheap comparing to what it cost in Europe . JB
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Should i buy a plane for hrs building?
a few people iv'e spoken to have said that i good way to get the minimum hrs to start a CPL is to buy a PFA type aircraft and use that, has anyone done this? if so what are the benefits/drawbacks, i was also considering going abroad to get some hrs maybe to canada - again people have said that canada is better than places such as florida because you get more challenging conditions not perfect wx and sunshine all day, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
thanx
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what counts for hrs building?
im a little confused, i know you need 150hrs tt before you start the CPL but what does that include? does it include hrs flown for ppl training? and what if i fly with an instuctor for extra training e.g tailwheel, imc - does that count or does it have to be time flown since the ppl and all solo/p1
at the mo i have abt 85hrs - mainly while training for the PPL so do i need to do 65 more hrs or is it 150?
thanx guys
at the mo i have abt 85hrs - mainly while training for the PPL so do i need to do 65 more hrs or is it 150?
thanx guys
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Everything counts, its total time, not time since licence issue and yes IMC and tailwheel with an instructor count but included in the 150 hour figure is a considerable amount of P1 time. You have to make sure you have the correct amount of P1 hours to start the CPL, I think its 70 hours but Im not 100% sure, however its probably on a thread somewhere here or failing that LASORS.
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And doing it is a real pain in the backside in this weather! Probabaly going to have to delay my training whilst I prance around burning holes in the sky! I beleive our integrated friends get away with it too. What makes them special eh
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It's 150 TT to start the course (of which 100 must be P1) but you need 200 TT to be issued the CPL IIRC. I believe the 70hrs P1 requirement is to start the ME rating.
But all will be explained (albeit sometimes in a not too clear way) here
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
But all will be explained (albeit sometimes in a not too clear way) here
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591