Type Rating with Line Training?
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Mate, as far as I have heard, if you are planing to go to Air nostrum, the experience wont help you AT ALL !!! All you need is to be highly recommended with the very strict minimum requiered (Frozen ATPL with 150 hours total time) 
Good luck
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5 Things to Revise before a TR?
I have the good fortune to be starting an initial type rating for a TP operator in the UK in the near future. My question, for those who have been down the same path, is:
If you were to start your type rating again, what would be the things you would really swot up on to help with the rating and subsequent line training?
SR
If you were to start your type rating again, what would be the things you would really swot up on to help with the rating and subsequent line training?
SR
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Try to get hold of their profiles....ie the stuff you will be flying in the sim, swat up on the power settings such as SE ILS etc......
Get hold of the A/C tech stuff, if its flybe your joining they will give you a tech CD with all the systems etc on it! A laptop comes in handy to do revision in your hotel on those lonely evenings (not at the bar!).
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Get hold of the A/C tech stuff, if its flybe your joining they will give you a tech CD with all the systems etc on it! A laptop comes in handy to do revision in your hotel on those lonely evenings (not at the bar!).
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Practice your scan, practice your scan and practice your scan - do not forget the basic principles of how to fly, Power Attitude Trim.
Non Precision approaches (needle tracking, VOR and NDB), hold entries and speed control.
Non Precision approaches (needle tracking, VOR and NDB), hold entries and speed control.
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If after the completion of the above you have some spare time (ie put down the FHM whilst having a dump, only for a short while mind)
Try to get to grips with the airlines SOP's. Especially the normal day to day checklist drills, as usually the challenge.............response checklist should be exactly as written down on the checklist. Also at the same time practice on your cockpit posters so you know exactly where all those small buttons are.
Nothing will please the sim instructor more, than showing you have done your homework. Remember these sims are costing about £300-400 per hr. And the last thing the instructor wants to keep showing you is where that damn engine anti-ice button is. If your checklists are flowing smoothly then you can use the sim time to learn to fly the bugger, not learn where the buttons are.
Just to add a little motivation, if your company is anything like mine, seniority may well be decided on your performace in the sim and line training, it all helps. GOOD LUCK
Try to get to grips with the airlines SOP's. Especially the normal day to day checklist drills, as usually the challenge.............response checklist should be exactly as written down on the checklist. Also at the same time practice on your cockpit posters so you know exactly where all those small buttons are.
Nothing will please the sim instructor more, than showing you have done your homework. Remember these sims are costing about £300-400 per hr. And the last thing the instructor wants to keep showing you is where that damn engine anti-ice button is. If your checklists are flowing smoothly then you can use the sim time to learn to fly the bugger, not learn where the buttons are.
Just to add a little motivation, if your company is anything like mine, seniority may well be decided on your performace in the sim and line training, it all helps. GOOD LUCK
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Base/Line Training Question
Hi all,
can someone please explain to a newbie here..what is meant by the following and the differences between them....
base check/training
line check/training..
Rgds
HighLow
can someone please explain to a newbie here..what is meant by the following and the differences between them....
base check/training
line check/training..
Rgds
HighLow
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Base training is conducted by a TRE on the actual aircraft with no punters ie not public transport on. Its usually 6 circuits on your first type and is the end of your type rating after passing the LST in the sim. After you have done the circuit's some paper work is filled out and the TRTO issues a course completion cert which is what you actually send off to get the rating issued.
Once you have a rating the rules change depending on if its the same type ie from one Turboprop type to another then it comes down to 4 circuits. Some of the jet sims and changes of type can be whats called zero hour. Ie the first time you land the machine its with a load on board. An example of this is 757 differences to 767 (on a correctly certified sim of course)
Line training is done on the line with PAX/freight ie a normal commercial flight by a Line training captain. It is completly internal to the company.
Once you have a rating the rules change depending on if its the same type ie from one Turboprop type to another then it comes down to 4 circuits. Some of the jet sims and changes of type can be whats called zero hour. Ie the first time you land the machine its with a load on board. An example of this is 757 differences to 767 (on a correctly certified sim of course)
Line training is done on the line with PAX/freight ie a normal commercial flight by a Line training captain. It is completly internal to the company.
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The Base Check (OPC/PPC) is a look at your ability to carry out emergency manoeuvres at your normal flight station, plus your flying technique and IFR procedures. It's valid for 6 months, plus the remainder of the month of issue (actually, that's not strictly true for UK - you need two every year, at least four months apart). It's needed for each aircraft and, although the statutory requirement is to assure your continued competence, it's also used for training, as it's a good time for practising drills and procedures that rarely arise in normal operations. It also includes an element of CRM, as do many others.
The line check This is valid for 12 months plus the remainder of the month of issue, but if you take it in the final three months, you can extend to 12 months from the previous expiry date. It's a test of your performance of normal duties at your crew station, so will be done on a standard commercial flight, or at least the final line check will (initial ones only give you the status of 1st pilot under supervision). It covers an entire line operation from pre-flight preparations to completion of post flight duties and normally must be carried out on each type of aircraft flown, although it may be done alternately where types are similar. It's not supposed to represent a particular route, but must be an adequate representation of the Company's work. Line Checks may be carried out by fully qualified Line Captains.
Line training, leading up to the check, is supposed to familiarise you with the routes over which you will operate, for which you will be supervised by experienced training staff. Before you can do this with passengers, you must have passed an initial line check, followed by some supervised flights, then a final line check before they let you loose on the unsuspecting public.
Supervised flights will have passengers on, so you will now become aware of commercial pressures, and are as much a hurdle to some pilots as other training is, because you will probably also have Flight Director systems to use - you normally don't get to use them in training.
Phil
The line check This is valid for 12 months plus the remainder of the month of issue, but if you take it in the final three months, you can extend to 12 months from the previous expiry date. It's a test of your performance of normal duties at your crew station, so will be done on a standard commercial flight, or at least the final line check will (initial ones only give you the status of 1st pilot under supervision). It covers an entire line operation from pre-flight preparations to completion of post flight duties and normally must be carried out on each type of aircraft flown, although it may be done alternately where types are similar. It's not supposed to represent a particular route, but must be an adequate representation of the Company's work. Line Checks may be carried out by fully qualified Line Captains.
Line training, leading up to the check, is supposed to familiarise you with the routes over which you will operate, for which you will be supervised by experienced training staff. Before you can do this with passengers, you must have passed an initial line check, followed by some supervised flights, then a final line check before they let you loose on the unsuspecting public.
Supervised flights will have passengers on, so you will now become aware of commercial pressures, and are as much a hurdle to some pilots as other training is, because you will probably also have Flight Director systems to use - you normally don't get to use them in training.
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Thanks guys for the detailed answers.
It is of great help, this whole line/base aspect kinda confused me for along time, its only when you come up to actually flying commerically, one needs to be clear the differences between each
thanks again
highlow
It is of great help, this whole line/base aspect kinda confused me for along time, its only when you come up to actually flying commerically, one needs to be clear the differences between each
thanks again
highlow
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Not with standing the usual problems of different countrys rules and company SOP's
In the UK I have never done any line training without punters in the back.
My training went
ground school
sim (tri/tre)
License skills test (LST) which also includes an Operators profiency check (OPC) (TRE)
Base training/ check which is the 6 circuits. Some do fail the check and have to go back to the sim then more circuits. (TRE)
Rating issue
Then the next flight was done with punters by a training captain (CRMI).
Then after xx sectors after packing up for the day. You get a quick handshake and let loose with normal crew. This is your first Line check
Line checks can only be carried out by CRMI holders ie Training captains. It can be either sitting next to you or the training captain can sit in the jump seat and do 2 at once.
OPC can be carried out by a TRI/TRE every 6 months depending which CAA rule book you look at.
LPC by a TRE max 12 months but you can do it earlier up to 3 months but it screws it up for the timing of the OPC depending what rule book your using. So most combine the LPC/OPC.
Highlow it really isn't something to worry about. You will be pushed through the required hoop's. Each company is slightly different. In the UK there are 2 different rule books depending if you have a CAA AOC or a JAR AOC. Some of the rule differences are quite small and others are quite marked.
In the UK I have never done any line training without punters in the back.
My training went
ground school
sim (tri/tre)
License skills test (LST) which also includes an Operators profiency check (OPC) (TRE)
Base training/ check which is the 6 circuits. Some do fail the check and have to go back to the sim then more circuits. (TRE)
Rating issue
Then the next flight was done with punters by a training captain (CRMI).
Then after xx sectors after packing up for the day. You get a quick handshake and let loose with normal crew. This is your first Line check
Line checks can only be carried out by CRMI holders ie Training captains. It can be either sitting next to you or the training captain can sit in the jump seat and do 2 at once.
OPC can be carried out by a TRI/TRE every 6 months depending which CAA rule book you look at.
LPC by a TRE max 12 months but you can do it earlier up to 3 months but it screws it up for the timing of the OPC depending what rule book your using. So most combine the LPC/OPC.
Highlow it really isn't something to worry about. You will be pushed through the required hoop's. Each company is slightly different. In the UK there are 2 different rule books depending if you have a CAA AOC or a JAR AOC. Some of the rule differences are quite small and others are quite marked.
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TR/ line training preparation
Hello
In trying to emphasize on what is most relavent for preparing for a type rating and a line training i would like to ask those who have been through this , to give their oppinion on what items should one be prepared for .
Any oppinion will be very helpfull
thanks
In trying to emphasize on what is most relavent for preparing for a type rating and a line training i would like to ask those who have been through this , to give their oppinion on what items should one be prepared for .
Any oppinion will be very helpfull
thanks
b737 +100 line training
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Stapleford
Stapleford Flight training maybe. They come with about 100 hours line training with asteraus. But for £28000ish depending if you was a student with them before. But beware by doing this it does not guarentee you a job. So be careful, even though it may increase your chance by abit, but your investing alot, and putting your finances in danger. Who knows you may be on bread and crumbs for a while until you find the job.
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Fed up waiting for B737 line training....
I got my type rating passing my flight test earlier this year, I am suppost to get line training too with this company but I will be waiting for years at this rate. I have not even started line training and if I'm honest me and fellow studentS doubt whether the company will ever deliver. I know of Eagle Jet but does anyone know of any other companys which will do 737 line training only packages?? I am keen to know and any help will be appreciated as I am sick of waiting 
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Oh dear, that really does sound like a soul destroying experience. Why not try EagleJet at least they sound like a popular organisation but beware they have recently hiked their prices UP!
Good luck and all the best.
Good luck and all the best.