Type Rating with Line Training?
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it probably would be perceived by the airlines very well because they won't have to pay for it but it is frowned upon by most people as the airlines should be the one paying for type ratings not individual paying for their jobs
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A bit harsh hixton. However, the question does keep cropping up in some form. Nobody should have to pay out for type rating training/line training. Who knows of another profession where people pay to work? The trouble is airlines will keep it up so long as people are prepared to pay out.
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Airbus Rating
Anyway Jools, cant understand why you want to do a type rating on the Airbus 320, the Boeing 737 is still a good one, I think the airbus is over exposed, and there are a lot of guys out their with the Airbus 319 320 321 ratings, how many get jobs, I really don’t know, but another option is to do a rating lower on the ladder, maybe on a turbo prop and work your way up.
Also you will save a few pounds.
Good luck..
Also you will save a few pounds.
Good luck..
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I'd say with 500hrs on type made in the US, you'll still get a job in Europe as long as you get the TR on your JAR license. Wouldn't really matter where you got the hours.
And with 500hrs on the 737... you'll get lucky.
And with 500hrs on the 737... you'll get lucky.
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in the US, they can't. I don't think the FAA and PAX would be very happy to have "student"pilots in the cockpit.
in Europe, no rules...they could even ask a captain to pay if he want keep his job.as captains are no so idiot, they ask copilot to pay for everything.
as long it is authorized, why shouldn't they???they could even ask you to pay a participation in the aircraft.
(I know it is not authorized by the french DGAC)
in Europe, no rules...they could even ask a captain to pay if he want keep his job.as captains are no so idiot, they ask copilot to pay for everything.
as long it is authorized, why shouldn't they???they could even ask you to pay a participation in the aircraft.
(I know it is not authorized by the french DGAC)
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do you accept to pay more?
if an airline ask you to pay for your type rating, how many of you will accept ??(based on you have the job gauranty).
how many of you have 30000 euro? and how do you feel to pay for your own training?
how many of you have 30000 euro? and how do you feel to pay for your own training?
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Originally Posted by A320rider
if an airline ask you to pay for your type rating, how many of you will accept ??(based on you have the job gauranty).
how many of you have 30000 euro? and how do you feel to pay for your own training?
how many of you have 30000 euro? and how do you feel to pay for your own training?
Would I pay for it? H*** yah! (Ryanair - give me a call
). As long as the market is willing and the outlook is good I see no worries pushing out 30000 quid extra for a safer and faster career track. Ask a doctor how much he has put out when he's done with med-school....If you can afford it - why not. If you can't - there are still plenty of ways to get in still. See it as buying a rather expensive "fastpass" in the themepark.
Do I agree with the industry being this way? NO
Will the industry pay my salary in the future? YES
Does their word outweigh mine then? YES (darn)
Alternatively there are a few places you can do a first officer program and get 500-1000 hours extra in your logbook for the same price. Just make sure the aircraft you buy SIC time on is in fact considered multi-crew by JAR definition. Would suck to have loads of second-in-command time on a single-pilot airplane.
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As I understand it, this practice has been going on since September 11th (and maybe even before) due to the number of inexperienced pilots far out weighing the number of seats available, and a few airlines (started by Ryan air I think) said “Why the hell not?”
If you don’t wish to participate, then don’t! I don’t have 30,000 spare. I think that with hard work I could raise it, but I choose not to.
However I do not begrudge a friend of mine who did pay for his rating and line training, and has now just got set on by one of the low costs.
If you wish to do it and can get the money, then good on you. If you can’t raise it, unlucky, your options are restricted. That’s life – it’s not always a fair world out there. If you can raise the money and choose not to (like me) stop complaining when someone else does it. You don’t know how hard they worked to raise all the money for the ATPL training and TR, or what their circumstances are. This is the industry you choose to spend you money in training for. Don’t moan because someone else is willing to take a bigger risk.
Maybe one day I’ll change my mind, but at the moment, I’ll abstain and keep those CV’s flying out the door
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If you don’t wish to participate, then don’t! I don’t have 30,000 spare. I think that with hard work I could raise it, but I choose not to.
However I do not begrudge a friend of mine who did pay for his rating and line training, and has now just got set on by one of the low costs.
If you wish to do it and can get the money, then good on you. If you can’t raise it, unlucky, your options are restricted. That’s life – it’s not always a fair world out there. If you can raise the money and choose not to (like me) stop complaining when someone else does it. You don’t know how hard they worked to raise all the money for the ATPL training and TR, or what their circumstances are. This is the industry you choose to spend you money in training for. Don’t moan because someone else is willing to take a bigger risk.
Maybe one day I’ll change my mind, but at the moment, I’ll abstain and keep those CV’s flying out the door
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Originally Posted by Decisive Attitude
I had to smile.
Go type 'bestaviation.net' into a web browser and see what happens, and perhaps you'll see why he's such an avid exponent of the 'pay-to-play' theory...
Go type 'bestaviation.net' into a web browser and see what happens, and perhaps you'll see why he's such an avid exponent of the 'pay-to-play' theory...
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Woopsy from a JAA wannabe
Originally Posted by Decisive Attitude
I had to smile.
Go type 'bestaviation.net' into a web browser and see what happens, and perhaps you'll see why he's such an avid exponent of the 'pay-to-play' theory...
Go type 'bestaviation.net' into a web browser and see what happens, and perhaps you'll see why he's such an avid exponent of the 'pay-to-play' theory...
My opinion on 'pay-to-play' has very little to do with the website. It just seems that everyone who can't afford it is strongly against it. I can easilly buy that argument as (some would say) it turns the industry into one for the 'little rich kids'.
What many seem to forget is that airline jobs in Europe pay very well, so over a lifelong career that initial investment isn't all that bad. Like anything else - if you want to make good money, you have to invest. No such thing as a free lunch etc etc....
Compare it to the american market where you don't pay the type rating yourself.....and make a whole $18000 a year as your start salary!
Maybe that would be a better way for the European industry to go as well - pay for our type ratings and give us sh** salaries so we can REALLY get to struggel with downpaying our loans. Remember that the bank wants money every month regardless if you own them £30,000 or £60,000.
The best way is probably to work hard and be smart. I'm sure there are jobs out there for those who don't want or can't afford to pay the extra.
Ohh...and btw - yes - I am a wannabee.....a big JAA one - and THAT is why I'm on PPRuNe in the first place....time to leave FAA behind and go home. And now I have learned that 'pay-for-type' is a hot topic over there...so I'll leave it at that.
Scroggs - thank's for keeping me under surveilance
I'll try to be a good boy...
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I know why you bother..
For some free advertising on someone else's web site
If this is not case then why come here with the LINKS and the very sh*** logo??
I dont think you really grasp the whole point about this post. I myself have the money for a type with hrs.. thats great! The whole point of the matter is that if everybody pays their way into a job, then its going to be expected for many years to come. Hey maybe even a high flyer like yourself might not even be able to buy your way in
I guess your lucky Norway has been given work rights into the European union! Or you would find it difficult to buy your way into anything
If this is not case then why come here with the LINKS and the very sh*** logo?? I dont think you really grasp the whole point about this post. I myself have the money for a type with hrs.. thats great! The whole point of the matter is that if everybody pays their way into a job, then its going to be expected for many years to come. Hey maybe even a high flyer like yourself might not even be able to buy your way in
I guess your lucky Norway has been given work rights into the European union! Or you would find it difficult to buy your way into anything
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And this is why I bother
Originally Posted by highflyer78
The whole point of the matter is that if everybody pays their way into a job, then its going to be expected for many years to come.
alternatively you can join the unemployment line with your principles and see how cheap it is to kick dirt for a year waiting for an interview. Just a thought...
Caution - Line training fraud?
Hello fellow pilots!
I wrote a warning about one year ago, but for some reason, that post has been deleted. Anyway, the warning was about a "pay for experience" type of company called "abaviation". This company was supposed to be based in Germany, run by two german guys. I wasted 1 year and loads of money on their empty promisses. In the end, it all worked out for me, but it had nothing to do with to this company.
This line training was planned to be done with a malaysian/thai/indo 737 operator, there are not that many right? Now there is a new german dude offering line training for the ATR, once agin emty promises and pilots taking T/Rs that they can not use.Watch out.
Just look at this as an input, and be aware that people will not hesitate to rip you off. Gather as much information about the company as possible before you go ahead with any training like this.
peace/
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I would like to mention the names of the people involved, but not in the forum.
I wrote a warning about one year ago, but for some reason, that post has been deleted. Anyway, the warning was about a "pay for experience" type of company called "abaviation". This company was supposed to be based in Germany, run by two german guys. I wasted 1 year and loads of money on their empty promisses. In the end, it all worked out for me, but it had nothing to do with to this company.
This line training was planned to be done with a malaysian/thai/indo 737 operator, there are not that many right? Now there is a new german dude offering line training for the ATR, once agin emty promises and pilots taking T/Rs that they can not use.Watch out.
Just look at this as an input, and be aware that people will not hesitate to rip you off. Gather as much information about the company as possible before you go ahead with any training like this.
peace/
737 rider
I would like to mention the names of the people involved, but not in the forum.
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CRJ LINE TRAINING
Hello!!! Somebody knows a place where to do line training of CRJ, like 50 or 100 hours of flight to take out the restrictions???? I find that in jetlink I can do 500 hours of flight but I don´t want to do so much. Thanks!!!