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Chris I think I'm with you on this one.
Occurrence of accidents due to AC failure is too frequent for my liking.
A PA-28 this time
... Although I tell myself I'd give my right arm to become a pilot I don't think I'd give my life 
Occurrence of accidents due to AC failure is too frequent for my liking.
A PA-28 this time
... Although I tell myself I'd give my right arm to become a pilot I don't think I'd give my life
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AlphaMale - Totally agree, what's the good of a PPL if you're not around to use it!
However I would have to say that from speaking to a mate who did his PPL out there; it does take a bit of common sense. If the aircraft looks like a bag of **** when pre-flighting then wait for a better one. After all, all those training aircraft get battered around from pillar to post and with the likes of OFT being a conveyorbelt of students they're never going to have a clean record. Im in 2 minds really.
However I would have to say that from speaking to a mate who did his PPL out there; it does take a bit of common sense. If the aircraft looks like a bag of **** when pre-flighting then wait for a better one. After all, all those training aircraft get battered around from pillar to post and with the likes of OFT being a conveyorbelt of students they're never going to have a clean record. Im in 2 minds really.
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Well I'm looking to take the 4/5 weeks off work in either start of summer 08 or end of summer 08 and get the FAA PPL done. I'm looking at the US FTO's due to the exchange rate and the speed of getting through the course.
However I am struggling to find any US FTO with a safe record?!?
All 4 JAA US schools are having bad reports on aircraft safety
(EFT/OBA/OFT/NAC) on pprune.
We don't seem to hear about AC incidents as much from UK schools, But thanks to Gordon Brown the only reason I'm looking at the US is due to costs. Otherwise I'd happily plough my money into a UK FTO
(I mention JAA FTO's as I'd like to go back 12 after (having the ATPL's under my belt) and tackle the FAA IR & CPL and convert my CPL in one go).
However I am struggling to find any US FTO with a safe record?!?
All 4 JAA US schools are having bad reports on aircraft safety
(EFT/OBA/OFT/NAC) on pprune.
We don't seem to hear about AC incidents as much from UK schools, But thanks to Gordon Brown the only reason I'm looking at the US is due to costs. Otherwise I'd happily plough my money into a UK FTO
(I mention JAA FTO's as I'd like to go back 12 after (having the ATPL's under my belt) and tackle the FAA IR & CPL and convert my CPL in one go).
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I think the best attitude is just to remember that we're going out there to get a PPL, IMC and NR. Once we've got those get the hell outta there. I might try and do some hour building whilst im there but will have to wait and see.
The difference in fuel price will never change unfortunately and whilst I hate both Gordon Brown with a passion I don't think he can be entirely blamed for it.
I'm going to do some homework and see what other FTS's I can find.
The difference in fuel price will never change unfortunately and whilst I hate both Gordon Brown with a passion I don't think he can be entirely blamed for it.
I'm going to do some homework and see what other FTS's I can find.
Whilst I'm not in the OFT protection business, I would like to point out that this last accident suggests a strong probability of pilot error. I wouldn't normally jump the gun before everything is known, but whilst others are doing so, I hope to add, perhaps, a little balance.
Sam.
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I think that you should be far more accurate in your postings about the INCIDENT and not ACCIDENT as you report it. Yes you are quite correct that a student pilot had an incident and not an accident. See the FAA report dated 30/11/07 The aircraft involved struck a taxiway sign. There is damage to the underside of the starboard wing.The damage is not even close to costing $30.000, if this was the case the aircraft would be a total loss and we would be replacing it with another.
FACT: We have never had a forced landing in the everglades,with or without an instructor on board the aircraft due to an engine failure in the last two weeks or in the last two years since I have been at OFT. The aircraft that you say was uncontrollable on touch down was a C152, and the vibration that you say, was from the nose wheel, called nose wheel shimmy which is due mainly from the fact that students and some instructors fly the approach and touch down too fast and do not take the weight off of the nosewheel. There is no way on this planet that the instrument panel can come off just by a C152 touching down on the runway, so FYI you do not know. Yes you can not please every single student, we do not have control on the local restuarant serving your meal too cold but we can sort peoples problems out if they come and talk to us. Any flight school that consistantly flys 3500 hours per month 36000 - 42000 hours per year will have some problems of some nature. The average flight school in the UK probably flys 500-600 hours per month. So I would suggest that you stick to knitting or cooking as probably aviation is not for you, especially as you do not state the correct facts.
I think that you should be far more accurate in your postings about the INCIDENT and not ACCIDENT as you report it. Yes you are quite correct that a student pilot had an incident and not an accident. See the FAA report dated 30/11/07 The aircraft involved struck a taxiway sign. There is damage to the underside of the starboard wing.The damage is not even close to costing $30.000, if this was the case the aircraft would be a total loss and we would be replacing it with another.
FACT: We have never had a forced landing in the everglades,with or without an instructor on board the aircraft due to an engine failure in the last two weeks or in the last two years since I have been at OFT. The aircraft that you say was uncontrollable on touch down was a C152, and the vibration that you say, was from the nose wheel, called nose wheel shimmy which is due mainly from the fact that students and some instructors fly the approach and touch down too fast and do not take the weight off of the nosewheel. There is no way on this planet that the instrument panel can come off just by a C152 touching down on the runway, so FYI you do not know. Yes you can not please every single student, we do not have control on the local restuarant serving your meal too cold but we can sort peoples problems out if they come and talk to us. Any flight school that consistantly flys 3500 hours per month 36000 - 42000 hours per year will have some problems of some nature. The average flight school in the UK probably flys 500-600 hours per month. So I would suggest that you stick to knitting or cooking as probably aviation is not for you, especially as you do not state the correct facts.
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Sam - I agree that some balance is needed hence my comments. However, putting aside any safety issues for a minute there are some pretty bad reports of OFT on here.
Im not going to start passing judgement on OFT as I havent been there myself (yet). I think that as long as the aircraft is thoroughly pre-flighted saftey should be too much of an issue.
Jock 113 - I think that any issues to do with accidents are always going to spark a few concerns as to the exact circumstances, whether its the aircraft or the pilot. But as a soon to be student pilot, you must understand peoples concerns. However if the facts are incorrect then I can understand a bit of frustration. (Maybe I should be working for the UN!) As you work at OFT can you confirm a few points before I hand over my deposit for OFT...
1) How many instructors are currently under contract at OFT?
2) How many students are you currently intructing as a business?
Cheers
Chris
Im not going to start passing judgement on OFT as I havent been there myself (yet). I think that as long as the aircraft is thoroughly pre-flighted saftey should be too much of an issue.
Jock 113 - I think that any issues to do with accidents are always going to spark a few concerns as to the exact circumstances, whether its the aircraft or the pilot. But as a soon to be student pilot, you must understand peoples concerns. However if the facts are incorrect then I can understand a bit of frustration. (Maybe I should be working for the UN!) As you work at OFT can you confirm a few points before I hand over my deposit for OFT...
1) How many instructors are currently under contract at OFT?
2) How many students are you currently intructing as a business?
Cheers
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Yo man..
term of a incident and a accident is clearly elaborated in the FAR AIMS and the LASORs, so write it down and shalf it down your arse. so stop trying to minimize damage control. It is accident.
Business wise, OFT operate a place which is unsafe and commonly regarded as inefficient accompanied by unethical marketing. And even took my money away of over 4 K.
I would like to see how OFT gets away with all this issues.
term of a incident and a accident is clearly elaborated in the FAR AIMS and the LASORs, so write it down and shalf it down your arse. so stop trying to minimize damage control. It is accident.
Business wise, OFT operate a place which is unsafe and commonly regarded as inefficient accompanied by unethical marketing. And even took my money away of over 4 K.
I would like to see how OFT gets away with all this issues.
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Hi Shock's,
Sorry to hear, why the change of heart? I spent month's researching all the Schools and as the IR and MCC are back in the UK I think this is what European Airliners are concerned with.
What are your plans?
Sorry to hear, why the change of heart? I spent month's researching all the Schools and as the IR and MCC are back in the UK I think this is what European Airliners are concerned with.
What are your plans?
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changing rooms...I mean plans
Last minute change of plan, never been to the State so its a big step for me to go straight there and start an ATPL. I prefer to see first hand what i'm getting myself into. But i'm planning on completing my PPL with OFT, and go sight seeing. Though i'm looking at a course with Stapleford or Bournemouth commercial flight training. That way I can keep an eye on my business.
how long did you have to wait for your visa interview?
how long did you have to wait for your visa interview?
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Advise from ex-OFT instructor.
I was instructing there in 2006, and be i have to warn you guys. You will pay alot more than what they advertise. They give you alot of emty promises. Expect to pay 20% more than what they tell you..
But on the upside... Its a pretty small airport, so you get a lot done pr. flight hour...
But on the upside... Its a pretty small airport, so you get a lot done pr. flight hour...
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Hi Sloan,
Thanks for the tip off, really appreciated. OFT Advertise around 18k GBP for the full ATPL. If I factor in around 2k for Additional Fuel Charge what else do you envisage (Excluding Living).
Also, I note other Ppruner's having issues with Aircraft Maintanence and the ATPL theory - any comments welcome.
Did you do the ATPL also?
Thanks for the tip off, really appreciated. OFT Advertise around 18k GBP for the full ATPL. If I factor in around 2k for Additional Fuel Charge what else do you envisage (Excluding Living).
Also, I note other Ppruner's having issues with Aircraft Maintanence and the ATPL theory - any comments welcome.
Did you do the ATPL also?
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Hi Shock's,
I too run a Business but putting it on hold and borrowing money for the full ATPL. Careful with breaks in training, employers like to see continuity.
Personally I think it will be the year to remember.
I too run a Business but putting it on hold and borrowing money for the full ATPL. Careful with breaks in training, employers like to see continuity.
Personally I think it will be the year to remember.
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Dear JOCK 113 at Orlando Flight Training / Euroflight
Dear JOCK 113, or is it the chief pilot himself???
Thank you for your thoughts, but I do not understand why you always must get that personal...
You got already so much advice on this forum concerning this attitude!
Read my posts carefully, never stated there was an accident, and everything else also is written in the best and most truthful manner, but indeed I wondered as I heard that the damage is 30 000 $ that you have such expensive aircraft….
I really would appreciate if you could answer the questions asked by chris-squire. Will you?
I do understand the problems with the lack of instructors and else, but it might help to treat those, and your customers with a little bit of respect and get the rest sorted (=management skills), what do you think?
Shouldn´t we ask a couple of current students instructors at OFT what they think about:
Safety?
Service?
Value for Money?
I invite you all!
Thank you for your thoughts, but I do not understand why you always must get that personal...
You got already so much advice on this forum concerning this attitude!
Read my posts carefully, never stated there was an accident, and everything else also is written in the best and most truthful manner, but indeed I wondered as I heard that the damage is 30 000 $ that you have such expensive aircraft….
I really would appreciate if you could answer the questions asked by chris-squire. Will you?
I do understand the problems with the lack of instructors and else, but it might help to treat those, and your customers with a little bit of respect and get the rest sorted (=management skills), what do you think?
Shouldn´t we ask a couple of current students instructors at OFT what they think about:
Safety?
Service?
Value for Money?
I invite you all!
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cmvidini,
The 20% that i am talking about has nothing to do with fuel surcharge.. You have to expect to use more hours that what is in your package. I havent met anyone going through the entire program with minimum hrs. This is where the money add up really fast... Just on the PPL you should expect to spend 10-15 hours over minimum.. (Trust me on this one)
with prices for a SE piston running 100+ pr hour, you can understand it adds up quick...
As far as the ATPL, It was just starting up when i left the place... There was alot of complaining aboutn the teachers. I know that one of them is an FAA instructor with no JAA exams done, so im not sure how they got that approved...
Good luck to you.
The 20% that i am talking about has nothing to do with fuel surcharge.. You have to expect to use more hours that what is in your package. I havent met anyone going through the entire program with minimum hrs. This is where the money add up really fast... Just on the PPL you should expect to spend 10-15 hours over minimum.. (Trust me on this one)
with prices for a SE piston running 100+ pr hour, you can understand it adds up quick...
As far as the ATPL, It was just starting up when i left the place... There was alot of complaining aboutn the teachers. I know that one of them is an FAA instructor with no JAA exams done, so im not sure how they got that approved...
Good luck to you.
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oh.. they had a couple of unknown deduction which sums up to USD 4 K.
I've written to them, but never heard from them.... what a waste of time. Hopes it explain how irresponsible OFT management was..
I've written to them, but never heard from them.... what a waste of time. Hopes it explain how irresponsible OFT management was..