Multi Crew Co-operation Course (MCC)

[Island Hopper]

FlightSafety Int'l

Hi
Have you thought of FlightSaftey at Farnborough?
They are running an MCC course on the Saab 340 full motion sim.

IH

[Seamus_12]

MCC Flight Briefing

Not sure if this is the correct Forum to post this in but since this is where alot of recent post MCC people hang out its worth a try.

Doing an MCC in a 737-200. What i'm after is and idea of what the pre take off safety brief should be. Is it basically below V1 you stop with a problem and after V1 you take off no mater what? The phrasing is what i'm after.

Also a departure brief and a landing brief - is this just reading throught the plate making sure both pilots know what will happen?

Thanks.

[LKMflyboy]

I'd recommend the MCC course at London Metropolitan Uni. It's a good course conducted on a Kingair 200 - you also get a great deal if you can fill a spare place at the last minute.

I think spending extra to fly a jet sim is a waste for the MCC - much better to get some jet sim time when you have a sim check coming up... remember it could be months or years after MCC before you get that elusive interview!

[TRISTAR1]

MCC Briefing

The pre take off briefing should be given to you on the MCC course. It is pretty standard for all airline ops. Again the plate briefing should also be given on the course.

Enjoy

[ColeTrickle]

The "Safety CRM and QA" forum did a thread on this named "Takeoff Safety Brief - Landing Equivalent?".

It's in part about landing brief but some take-off briefings are shown

[Sky Goose]

Hi Seamus

By the sounds of things youre doing your MCC with Parc in Dublin ?

Theyll send you the notes you need before you arrive in Dublin, if you are super keen I can dig out my old notes and post the briefs on here if you like...but youll have plenty time to learn them before you get there.

Great course, its all done without the autopilot so brush up on your instrument scan if you can (MS Flightsim did the trick for me), and enjoy it.

[vetflyer]

Island Hopper

Do you have FS contact details , as failed on google?

Thanks

[Island Hopper]

FlightSafety Contact Details

Sure, just type in 'FlightSafety Farnborough' and you get this link:
http://www.flightsafety.com/farn_home.php
The telephone number is:
01252 554 500
Hope this helps,
IH

[Baseturn]

i would reccomend the AQC at CTC, quite pricey but without doubt excellent prep for a sim asessement

[carbonfibre]

MCC

Vetflyer

Dont think it will matter too much where you do it as this course is very enjoyable.

It is a matter of choice to do it on Jet / prop, I do not hear any bad things about any MCC course.

Just for info though I'm no spring chicken but had a great time on my course, Its all about working together as a team rather than the flying(but that helps) as all through our training phases we have been single pilot. Im sure you know that, but whatever you choose, have fun.

[FougaMagister]

Atlantic Flight Training at Coventry also do an MCC course on the King Air 200 FNPT II, priced £1,995 inc. VAT last I heard One course every two weeks.

Cheers

[moggiee]

Typically it may be something like (based upon, but not 100% identical to) BA 737:

"Up to 80kts we'll call "STOP" for any problem. Between 80kts and V1 we will only call "STOP" for any Fire, Engine Failure, severe handling difficulty, obviously blocked runway or pilot incapacitation.

If "STOP" is called I will pull the power/thrust levers to idle, apply maximum braking, reverse thrust as appropriate and bring the aeroplane to a halt on the runway centreline. You will deploy the speedbrake/check auto speedbrake deployment, monitor my braking and take control once we reach taxy speed.

When stationary, you will apply the parking brake, diagnose the nature of the problem and command me to action the appropriate checklist actions. I will complete the actions required whilst you liaise with ATC and cabin crew and if you order an evacuation we will complete the evacuation checklist.

After V1, the take off will be continued. We will rotate at the normal speed, and aim to climb at V2 to V2+25kt to acceleration altitude of 1500' agl (insert actual figure here). We will retract the gear when we have a positive climb rate and then when the aeroplane is under control we will identify the failure and carry out the required memory actions. No further drills will completed until after the acceleration profile.

We will level at acceleration altitude, accelerating to 210kt, retracting flaps on schedule (depends upon T/O flap setting). At 210kt we will set maximum continuous power, initiate a climb at 210kt to MSA and then complete the QRH checklist during the climb.

Our further intention is to return for an ILS/divert to ......

Any questions?"

As I say, based upon BA 737 but not entirely. Technical aspects will vary, of course, and some of the actions will depend upon the company SOP - due to variables such as who handles the power levers etc.

Still, that should give a flavour.

[airmiles]

MCC

I need some recommendations for where to do the MCC. I am sure some, if not a lot, of you have some good tips. I have e-mailed some schools and training centres, but there is nothing like you lot out there to get the real views! So come on don't be shy!

[alberto86]

FTE in Jerez offers an MCC course on a HS 125-800 full motion simulator.

The price is 4000euros (very competitive) including full board and accomodation!

[ColeTrickle]

MCC with FlightSafety in London (SF340 Sim)

Hi all,

has anybody done his MCC with FlightSafety in Farnborough on their Saab SF340 sim?

Thanks in advance for answers.

Cole

[Lamboo1]

Airbus MCC?

Hi everybody!

I am interested in Finding a school that offers an MCC course using an Airbu 32X sim. I have tried Aerofan , and i didnt get any Reply From SAS Training or Alitalia. Could anybody Recommend a good MCC school with an airbus sim!

Thanks

Chris

[scroggs]

MCC is about the way you act and react with others on a flightdeck, not about the aeroplane. The simulator is simply a tool of context, and the type represented is irrelevant to the content of the course. Go by the reputation of the training provider, not with the hardware they use.

Scroggs

[TurboJ]

Whilst I fully agree with Scroggs comments, in this competitve day and age its still good to get as much jet time as and when you can;

I was happy to pay the extra for my MCC to get the jet experience even though the last few hours was all automated route flying.

I believe JetLinx Flight Training do MCC courses on both the B757 and A320.

www.jetlinx.co.uk

Have fun....TJ

[scroggs]

in this competitve day and age its still good to get as much jet time as and when you can;

I'm not sure what you think this mythical 'jet time' will do for you. For a start, it's not jet time, it's simulator time. As you don't hold a rating on the aircraft type, and nor are you being instructed in order to gain a rating, I'm pretty sure you can't claim anything for the sim time you achieve. It is purely a training tool. Othere than the fact that it gives the atmosphere of a flight, and imparts a useful amount of tension due to you not knowing much about the represented aircraft, you could do the course on two chairs in a classroom!

The only reason companies use modern aircraft simulators is that they can charge you disproportionately more money for them. No employer gives a damn whether you did your MCC in an A320 sim or a Lancaster sim!

Scroggs

[TurboJ]

I'm not sure what you think this mythical 'jet time' will do for you.

As so called 'wannabes' we are constantly reminded how 'inexperienced' we are and how we lack any 'jet' experience. Whats the harm in trying to get some jet time or sim time, whatever you want to call it, as part of a course requirement ?

My MCC on a B737 consisted of a number of hours of general handling along with manual flying of ILS and VOR approaches, with automated route flying being introduced at the end.

Several weeks after my MCC I had a sim check for a jet job which I passed.

The practise in the sim on my MCC held me in good stead for the sim ride which not only assessed my flying skills but also the CRM aspect of things.

If I had of done my MCC in an arm chair in a classroom I don't believe I would have been successful.

No employer gives a damn whether you did your MCC in an A320 sim or a Lancaster sim!

What about an arm chair ?? Where can I find a Lancaster sim??