Multi Crew Co-operation Course (MCC)

[dwshimoda]

Finished the MCC with Jetlinx last night.

I have to say this was the best and most enjoyable part of my entire flying training! The instructors were fantastic, demanding, informative, and all current airline pilots making it very realistic. They also run the 5 sim slots as a virtual airline with proper SOP's, and it gives you a great foundation for what life will (hopefully!) soon be like.

The sim slots were reasonable, 7pm-11pm, and the 767 full flight sim at Cranebank is an amazing piece of kit!

Admin wise, absolutely no issues - always had answers to emails, phone calls returned, and mobile numbers for instructors were supplied - everyone was very friendly.

From this and other threads you may be fooled into thinking the MCC is merely a "tick box" exercise. The Jetlinx course is anything but. It's demanding and tiring, but fills you with the multi crew concepts, and also gives you the chance to demosntrate your professionalism, whilst flying a jet.

Does having 20 hours jet sim time help get a job? I seriosuly doubt it. But given the choice of an FNPT II and a full flight sim, I'd go with the full flight every time as you get a better concept of what it is really like. I also have a much better appreciation of how to fly a big jet, including just how slippery they are, how easy they are to upset, and feel that any sim ride now would be less of a daunting prospect.

I can't compare it to any other MCC courses as obviously I haven't been on them, but I have believe that this was the best value for money part of my training so far.

If anyone wants any more info, feel free to PM me.

DW.

[F3]

The MCC Certificate only neds to be submitted to the CAA when you apply to have your first Multi Crew Type Rating endorsed on your licence.

[Polarhero]

Another option is to take it with you if you go to gatwick for any reason and get them to put it in your file.
They will take a copy and stamp it up as a certified copy and hold it in your licensing file until you apply for a multi pilot rating.

Just acts as a back up in case you misplace it.

[jeroen994]

MCC: Turboprop or Jet?

Hi!

Can anyone tell me if there is a difference on doing an MCC on a jet or a turboprop? I can imagine a company with only jets in its fleet will prefer an MCC on a jet, but on the other hand, is it really an advantage to a company with only turboprops if I would have a turboprop MCC? My FTO does encourage me to do the turboprop mcc for personal reasons.

Thanks,

Jeroen

[BlueRobin]

Why is the aircraft type important? Surely the cert is all about co-operating?

*yes I know it's an old argument!

[jeroen994]

Of course I know the cooperation part is the most important! But if I have the choice, what's the best option. The price doesn't matter. I already paid for the MCC through my FTO.

[PorcoRosso]

The price does matter actually : go for the cheapest

No operator will give a toss if it was completed on a jet or a t-prop thing
MCC is just another piece of paper required to put another line on your CV.
While CRM stuff is interesting, an MCC course is too short to get the full picture.
Line training is definitely the way to gain the multi-crew experience .

[Blinkz]

Generally I agree that it doesn matter, however I think that doing it in a jet can be useful as it gives some VERY basic idea of how to handle the added speed/descent/momentum issues that jets have. This in turn is useful as it can help you be just a little bit more prepared for a sim check in the future.

But as everyone as said the actual MCC is the important bit and no operator is going to care what you did it in.

[potkettleblack]

In times gone by I would have said go cheap and do it in a cardboard bomber if you could get away with it. But times have changed. So many operators now have high expectations of their cadets. Ask yourself how you would fare being asked to give a multi crew take off brief, fly a SID, deal with an engine failure, secure the engine, do an NDB approach to a go around, followed by some steep turns, climbs/descents at various speeds and rates, a bit of beacon tracking, then an approach brief, maybe a star and raw data approach to land. Oh and all the time you need to be able to communicate as a crew, do a NITS briefing and deal with ATC plus follow SOP's. More than likely there will be no auto pilot although if they are feeling generous you might get auto throttle but don't hold out for it.

If your lucky you might get a briefing note sent to you a week in advance but more and more you will find out on the day what you will be doing. Things have changed a lot in the past few years.

I guess in many ways its become a self fulfilling prophecy with so many people heading off and getting time in sims ahead of checks that the bar has been raised. There will of course always be those high achievers who can adapt and perform when under pressure and not be thrown by a complex jet sim but for most of us out there I would say try and get the odds going in your favour.

[Ropey Pilot]

Your employer is unlikey to even notice if your MCC was Prop/jet - and care even less.

That said - if you are going for a jet job with a sim check you will probably want to pay for some sim time first. Could work out cheaper just to do a jet based MCC rather than a prop based one and some entirely separate jet sim time.

Lowest cost to yourself whilst ensuring a successful outcome must be the best way to go.

Problem is - even after you are successful you don't know how much extra you did!

[PA44]

MCC Info ( not providers )

Dear all,

I just want to know if anyone can explain to me a few things related with MCC course, i´ve a JAA CPL/ME/IR license issued by portuguese aviation ( JAA aproved ), and i was looking at a few schools in spain to do the MCC ( e.g. Aerodynamics and Panamedia ), but my question is, according to UK CAA lasors those 2 schools are not in the aproved list of providers, if i have a job proposal in UK to an UK based operator do i´ll have problems by having an MCC certificate from a spain? because those 2 schools are JAA aproved. At will state in MCC certificate?

thanks!

[sps1013]

MCC - Shortest Courses

Hi,

After trawling through the net trying to find MCC providers in the UK and near continent that are on an approved list, does anybody have any details of the shortest courses available?

I cant afford the time off after the IR.

Thanks,

sps

[northern]

Try aviatraining in Norway, think its a 5 days course or something like that, check aviatraining.no! It is not that expensive either....

[PA44]

Anyone can help me with this?


Thanks again!

[dwshimoda]

Speak to Keith at Jetlinx:

http://www.jetlinx.co.uk

They can sometimes arrange to do the ground school over a long weekend and the sim slots in the evening.

This is what I did - was knackered all the way through the sim slots (working a full day then off to the sim for 7 hours) but I also couldn't afford any more time off.

Also, a brilliant course and good fun!

DW.

[skyworks]

Spain??

Hi mate!
Why do you want to do the MCC in Spain??? I know we do more simulator time, but normally it takes minimun a month to finish it!
I am from Spain and I am not going to do it here! I think that are better providers in UK and quality are much better than here!
If the MCC Spanish providers are not in the UK aproved list, why do you want to take the risk??
I think you should take your MCC course in UK!
Good luck!

[PA44]

What i want to know is not the time that it takes, i know that in Aerodynamics and Panamedia they do it in 7 days not 1 month, i know that there is other schools in Europe better than in Spain and better than in UK, my question is that if it´s valid? Because i will apply to all available airlines in Europe, the problem is that i dont find anyhting that says that you must have an MCC from a specific country, and the only list of MCC aproved schools i find is the one from UK.
Thanks for the reply anyway, but the information that i want is other.


Thanks,

[flyboybarca]

Jetlinx MCC Partner June/July

I am looking for an MCC partner for either the June or July course at Jetlinx. June course commences 11th.

Anyone interested send me a PM.

[Sig.Rossi]

info about schools for MCC

Hi Guys!!
Since I don't have MCC I'm looking around for schools but....it's hard to get real information.As a schools Parc, Cae and Sas didn't seem too bad,but it would be good if i could have more information in general and for further job.If someone could give me some info about personal experience that would be very approciated.
Thank you

[moggiee]

Originally Posted by PA44

I was looking at a few schools in spain to do the MCC ( e.g. Aerodynamics and Panamedia ), but my question is, according to UK CAA lasors those 2 schools are not in the aproved list of providers,

They won't be in LASORS because the list there only gives names of providers regulated by the UK CAA.
Spanish FTOs will be approved by the DGAC - you will need to check with them. As long as they are DGAC approved then the course is valid for the whole JAA.