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Hi, sure this will be of benefit to alot of wannabe's out there. I am looking to start training in Florida, somewhere like Naples. I know thier course comes to about £46, 000, add to that the cost of living for a year and housing, ok. Are their any students out there or people who can suggest how much extra will be needed for things like exam fees and skill tests and the like, i just want a ballpark figure really. I'm in the position where i have some money saved up and my parents are going to help out as much as possible so i'm pretty fortunate. Obviosly don't want them to keep on forking out money that they didn't know they had to, so would be grateful if someone could detail what i can expect to be paying for over the next year or so. Any help would be great. Thanks
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Any reason you have chosen to fly in Florida, assuming you want a job flying in the UK, considering British training is considered amongst the best in the world (yes, OK, I am in the business so I would say that, but I actually think it is the best)?
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Too be honest it's just that its cheaper. Sorry i meant $46,000 not pounds, plus, whats nicer than sitting outside in the sun studying ur books when ur not flying. I mean when i completed my ppl, it was so nice just to relax on a recliner outside and top up the tan as well as revising for the exams, think its just the whole experience of it all aswell. I mean ive flown in the U.k and had no problems, i know there will be differences when i come back to fly in our airspace again but i'm willing to learn and the challenge is what makes flying enjoyable. Bit worried about the ATPL's though, lol, sure if i get my head down i'll be ok.
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If I was you Id stay in the UK to do your training. 46,000 in America doesnt sound like bargain of the decade either.The quality of training in the UK is far better, and is a well known fact. you can do the whole thing on a modular basis in England for 30,000.
Ive been pricing it up for a while.
PPL 5,000 (or welshpool, 3500!)
IMC 1125
Night Rating 500
ATPL exams 4,000
Hour Building to 100 (50 hours) 3500 70 pp/hr
* CPL, IR, Multi Engine Combined upgrade course 16,000
MCC 2500
Total cost 32,625
The talk of training in this country cost upwards of 50k is cods wallop, you can get a good deal if you shop around.
(* This course can include 100 hours line training on 737 etc, for an additional cost.)
Just shop around here first if i was you!
Ive been pricing it up for a while.
PPL 5,000 (or welshpool, 3500!)
IMC 1125
Night Rating 500
ATPL exams 4,000
Hour Building to 100 (50 hours) 3500 70 pp/hr
* CPL, IR, Multi Engine Combined upgrade course 16,000
MCC 2500
Total cost 32,625
The talk of training in this country cost upwards of 50k is cods wallop, you can get a good deal if you shop around.
(* This course can include 100 hours line training on 737 etc, for an additional cost.)
Just shop around here first if i was you!
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Hi Iceman,
£32,625 is a fair enough figure, in theory. But I'd be very pleasantly surprised if you could find anyone who has completed a frzn ATPL recently and has paid that little. There are many costs that just keep adding up.
For example if we take the £32,625 and add:
A class one medical: £422*
Another 30 hours of solo time. [You need 100 hours P1 not total time to start the CPL course]. At £70 p/hr: £2100
Say you don't live near your chosen FTO, add the price of accommodation. Lets say £100 per week over the 12 weeks for your CPL/IR: £1200
Then there are things like, transport, food at the airfield, landing/approach fees, license issue fees, etc, etc. They will really add up over the course of a year.
And all this assumes that you do everything in minimum time, with minimum delays due to weather etc. Say you need just 3 extra hours on your 50 hour IR course? That'll probably be an extra £1000, just like that.
I'm not knocking your figures, I'm just trying to point out that the average wannabe will probably end up paying a lot more than they might have first anticipated!
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*Well that's what it cost me when I booked it a few weeks ago, but it now seems be cheaper?
£32,625 is a fair enough figure, in theory. But I'd be very pleasantly surprised if you could find anyone who has completed a frzn ATPL recently and has paid that little. There are many costs that just keep adding up.
For example if we take the £32,625 and add:
A class one medical: £422*
Another 30 hours of solo time. [You need 100 hours P1 not total time to start the CPL course]. At £70 p/hr: £2100
Say you don't live near your chosen FTO, add the price of accommodation. Lets say £100 per week over the 12 weeks for your CPL/IR: £1200
Then there are things like, transport, food at the airfield, landing/approach fees, license issue fees, etc, etc. They will really add up over the course of a year.
And all this assumes that you do everything in minimum time, with minimum delays due to weather etc. Say you need just 3 extra hours on your 50 hour IR course? That'll probably be an extra £1000, just like that.
I'm not knocking your figures, I'm just trying to point out that the average wannabe will probably end up paying a lot more than they might have first anticipated!
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*Well that's what it cost me when I booked it a few weeks ago, but it now seems be cheaper?
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[You need 100 hours P1 not total time to start the CPL course].
You only need 150 hours total time to start the CPL course - not 100 in command.
If you are convinced in what you say, I challenge you to a duel - reference manuals at 40 paces.
<<sorry: edited to correctly spell 150 hours total time - not 100 hours total time as originally mis-typed. Thanks to Linda Mollison for the correction
Check List for the COURSE START is 150 hours total and written exams.
Check list for the sitting the FLIGHT TEST also includes night qualification training completed and Radio Telephony training completed or exempt.>>
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You are required to have 150 hours total time before you start your CPL training.
You are required to have passed all of your ground school exams before you take the CPL skill test.
You are required to have the following before you get your CPL issued:
200 hours total time
100 hours P1
a night rating
a cross country flight of at least 300 nm with stops at two airfields other than the airfield of departure
Hope that clears thing up
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You are required to have passed all of your ground school exams before you take the CPL skill test.
You are required to have the following before you get your CPL issued:
200 hours total time
100 hours P1
a night rating
a cross country flight of at least 300 nm with stops at two airfields other than the airfield of departure
Hope that clears thing up
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You do NOT need a night qualification to have a CPL issued.
You merely have to meet the requirements for one.
You can save yourself £50 (or whatever the Belgrano charge these days) by never actually having one issued. Ok not a massive saving but better in your pocket than theirs.
You merely have to meet the requirements for one.
You can save yourself £50 (or whatever the Belgrano charge these days) by never actually having one issued. Ok not a massive saving but better in your pocket than theirs.
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Under JAA rules you DO need a night rating to have a CPL issued, if you do not have one before starting a CPL course then 5 hours night training is to be added to the CPL course:
Appendix 1 to JAR FCL 1.160
Appendix 1 to JAR FCL 1.160
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Not true LFS, How on earth are you expecting to get a night qualification done in the middle of July, for example, you tell me which training organisations are able to do this?
I completed CPL then IR then did 5 hours of night flying, sent it all off and a blue book came back.
I completed CPL then IR then did 5 hours of night flying, sent it all off and a blue book came back.
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Just quoting the rules, Flying training requirements for the CPL:
"Applicants without a night qualification aeroplane shall be given additionally at least 5 hours night flight instruction"
It is difficult during the summer, however I can remember times where we have had to go night flying at 10 o'clock to finish complete a candidates night training.
Also in your original post you stated you do not need a night rating to get a CPL issued and that is certainly not true.
"Applicants without a night qualification aeroplane shall be given additionally at least 5 hours night flight instruction"
It is difficult during the summer, however I can remember times where we have had to go night flying at 10 o'clock to finish complete a candidates night training.
Also in your original post you stated you do not need a night rating to get a CPL issued and that is certainly not true.
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You do NOT need a night qualification to get a CPL issued, merely to meet the REQUIREMENTS for one. There is an important difference there.
I posted just to let people know that it was a way of saving a small amount of money seeing as cost seems to be an important issue for most people. I have never had a night qualification or the old night rating, but I do have a CPL.
I posted just to let people know that it was a way of saving a small amount of money seeing as cost seems to be an important issue for most people. I have never had a night qualification or the old night rating, but I do have a CPL.
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I am a little confused by your wording, surely you need to meet the requirements for a CPL to get one issued. If you read both LASORs and JAR-FCL they both state that the APPLICANT for a CPL must have completed 5 hours of night training, including 3 hours dual instruction, 1 hours cross-country flying and at least 5 solo take-offs and full stop landings. Thems the rules.
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right I realise the confusion, i think we are argueing over different things. I thought you were saying you do not need a night qualification (training completed only that is) to have a CPL. My apologies
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All this fuss over a night qualification, why is it so hard to get some decent opinions on pprune, when there are supposed to be people on here that can help. At the end of the day, this topic was opened to discuss the costs associated with completing an ab initio course, not whether you need to do a night rating to get your cpl issued.
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Actually, Quif, it's somewhat relevant, as that goes to the cost of licence issues. You don't need to hold the night rating, so you can save something there.
If you were in the UK the costs of each ATPL exam is £55 (14 exams). The CPL and IR tests are around the £600 mark plus aircraft hire. Licence issue is about £180 for the CPL/IR. In the US it may be different, as you have to cover the cost of having exams sat over there. Medical is an initial £420, then about £90 per annum to keep it current (you may need a renewal - must be valid for CPL skills test and for licence issue).
However these are costs each time. If you fail any then you have to pay again, so don't cut your money too finely.
You also have to think, are you flying to get a tan, or to get a job? I don't know specifically, but how do you think a UK airline will look at a candidate who has not flown in the UK since PPL, when he has a stack who completely trained here? Things are different.
The cost saving is also not that great - you can do the basics in the UK for around the £29,000 mark, even a little less. OK that looks like a £5,000 saving to you - but only if the dollar remains weak or you buy your dollars now. The latter will cost you up to £1200 in interest if you're borrowing the money in the UK! (N.B. don't pay it to the training provider up-front! Search for threads on the issue of paying up-front). Then you have costs for relocation to the States for perhaps a year, and any return visits. That can, in some circumstances, wipe out all the benefits.
If you were in the UK the costs of each ATPL exam is £55 (14 exams). The CPL and IR tests are around the £600 mark plus aircraft hire. Licence issue is about £180 for the CPL/IR. In the US it may be different, as you have to cover the cost of having exams sat over there. Medical is an initial £420, then about £90 per annum to keep it current (you may need a renewal - must be valid for CPL skills test and for licence issue).
However these are costs each time. If you fail any then you have to pay again, so don't cut your money too finely.
You also have to think, are you flying to get a tan, or to get a job? I don't know specifically, but how do you think a UK airline will look at a candidate who has not flown in the UK since PPL, when he has a stack who completely trained here? Things are different.
The cost saving is also not that great - you can do the basics in the UK for around the £29,000 mark, even a little less. OK that looks like a £5,000 saving to you - but only if the dollar remains weak or you buy your dollars now. The latter will cost you up to £1200 in interest if you're borrowing the money in the UK! (N.B. don't pay it to the training provider up-front! Search for threads on the issue of paying up-front). Then you have costs for relocation to the States for perhaps a year, and any return visits. That can, in some circumstances, wipe out all the benefits.
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Was amused by the war of words between Sally C and LFS - but have to agree with both of them.
Whilst Sally is correct in saying that only the night qualification REQUIREMENTS are to be met - and not actually the qualification ISSUE - LFS is correct in that the training MUST be done before CPL skill test.
Sally, you simply "got away with it" - but it is a requirement.
Whilst Sally is correct in saying that only the night qualification REQUIREMENTS are to be met - and not actually the qualification ISSUE - LFS is correct in that the training MUST be done before CPL skill test.
Sally, you simply "got away with it" - but it is a requirement.
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Think send clowns offers the most advice, some good points there, thanks alot. Out of curiouslity then, do you know of any schools then, where i could take a modular route and pick up all the required licences. Having already completed my ppl, where could i go from here to begin the next part of my training. Which schools would you say had a good cost to quality ratio. With things like landing fees etc in this country, does it not up costs quite considerably in the long run, as you move through ur ratings?