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Personally, if I was starting again, I would look at each module seperately. I can tell you a school to do all of them (I work for one!) but you must visit a few, and a variety. Visit large schools and small, whole-course and single-module providers, UK and, if you can, abroad. They do have good things to offer, can be a good price for certain sections, just be wary, expecially of the IR, as the test must be in a JAA country. Certainly visit Bournemouth as we have a lot of organisations here, a veritable alphabet soup of BCFT, CTC, ETA, EPTA, GTS, STS, PAT, Solent all of whom can help you either with some modules or with the whole course. Maybe visit Bristol and Exeter as well (have you decided between full-time and distance learning groundschool yet?).
For cost:quality ratio I would keep to smaller organisations. They are not as widely known, so have to give something to get people through the doors. Don't assume price gives performance. Some hike their price due to demand just through being well-known. Take marketing peoples' speeches with a pinch of salt. Check on VAT and landing fees - are they included? Don't pay up-front.
Probably your best course is to the Flight Training Show next month, details, fromt he Flyer website:
Hope to see you there - I'll be on the BCFT stand!
For cost:quality ratio I would keep to smaller organisations. They are not as widely known, so have to give something to get people through the doors. Don't assume price gives performance. Some hike their price due to demand just through being well-known. Take marketing peoples' speeches with a pinch of salt. Check on VAT and landing fees - are they included? Don't pay up-front.
Probably your best course is to the Flight Training Show next month, details, fromt he Flyer website:
Saturday November 6 2004
Renaissance London Heathrow Hotel, 0930-1700
Doors open 0930 to 1700
Renaissance London Heathrow Hotel, 0930-1700
Doors open 0930 to 1700
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Iceman, be realistic, where can you get a CPL-IR-ME for £16,000? What about CAA flight test fees at about £650 a pop, plus 3 hrs ME aircraft hire for the tests (min £500), plus CAA license issue fees. None of the quotes I have obtained in the UK ever inculde these extra fees. So thats an extra £2200 for tests and I think £180 for license issue fee. Also what about budgeting for partial passes and retakes?
If you are going to commit to this training and the enormous cost, at least be as accurate and as pessimistic as you can when budgeting. Can you imagining running out of money having just failed an IR flight test?
If you are going to commit to this training and the enormous cost, at least be as accurate and as pessimistic as you can when budgeting. Can you imagining running out of money having just failed an IR flight test?
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Listen, the infamous "clive Hughes" said it can be done for 30k!
Ok that was a generalisation, and did not include exam fees, accomodation etc. But if you get a cheap PPl, hour build in florida, your gonna save 3/4 grand stright off!
There is school offering that CPL+IR+ME course, in "flyer" or "pilot" magazine. CPL is 5K, IR 7.5- 9K etc.
Yes well when you get a quote from a school Dude you should ask for an all inclusive price of hire test fees etc.
Im ok though, I live within half an hour of Chester, Liverpool and Manchester airports/ flying schools so accomodation is not required for mois.
Quifflegend, it depends what part of the country u live in.
422 for a class one medical? bargain!
Iceman
Ok that was a generalisation, and did not include exam fees, accomodation etc. But if you get a cheap PPl, hour build in florida, your gonna save 3/4 grand stright off!
There is school offering that CPL+IR+ME course, in "flyer" or "pilot" magazine. CPL is 5K, IR 7.5- 9K etc.
Yes well when you get a quote from a school Dude you should ask for an all inclusive price of hire test fees etc.
Im ok though, I live within half an hour of Chester, Liverpool and Manchester airports/ flying schools so accomodation is not required for mois.
Quifflegend, it depends what part of the country u live in.
422 for a class one medical? bargain!
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'Fraid that is incorrect Mr 0-8. You only need 150 hours total time to start the CPL course - not 100 in command.
The reason I keep getting the 100 hours P1 figure stuck in my head is that during the CPL/IR course you don't get any P1 time. [Though I think you can log the exam time as p1? Can someone confirm that?]
And as you need 100 hours P1 for license issue, I've always planned on starting the course with 100 P1 hours so I can get the license issued as soon as I finish the course.
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Credit Card Issues
I posted this already but one of the moderators changed the title of the thread so it may have got lost in the archives. Reason I'm re-posting it is purely as a cost saving issue, because that is seeming to crop up in this thread.
If flying in California or Florida, the flight schools are not allowed (by state law) to impose any surcharges if you wish to pay be credit card. As you can imagine geting a 2% on top can hit the hip pocket quite a bit especially if you go for a ab-initio course. £600 for a £30k course.
Any trader in either of these two states can offer a reduction to induce the customer to pay by cash, however as I said can't bump up the price.
So gives you the security of cedit card insurance if it all goes tits up, without having to pay for the privilege.
Stephen
If flying in California or Florida, the flight schools are not allowed (by state law) to impose any surcharges if you wish to pay be credit card. As you can imagine geting a 2% on top can hit the hip pocket quite a bit especially if you go for a ab-initio course. £600 for a £30k course.
Any trader in either of these two states can offer a reduction to induce the customer to pay by cash, however as I said can't bump up the price.
So gives you the security of cedit card insurance if it all goes tits up, without having to pay for the privilege.
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Scameron - if you don't pay up-front, there's no risk anyway! You can't lose anything if you pay for your flights after you've been up. All most people risk then is half the cost of the ground course, which is commonly paid in two installments.
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Cheers for that mate, although I assumed that most PPRuNer's would have a degree of nonse. Jesus, I suppose you'll tell us all next that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow and grass is green.
Some schools don't offer that facility, however most of the reputable ones do. The reason for the post was for information, its up for whoever reads it to use as they wish.
Prize for the stating the obvious goes to . . . . .
Some schools don't offer that facility, however most of the reputable ones do. The reason for the post was for information, its up for whoever reads it to use as they wish.
Prize for the stating the obvious goes to . . . . .
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Unfortunately some of us still lose money when companies go bst 
I lost nearly £2,500. Never realised before committing to a full course (in installments, not all up front, but bad enough) how many companies had gone bust before. Some schools ask for a little up-front and that's fine, but if the school wants the money up front for a reduction then negociate a commitment where they give you the discount but all the money off the last bit, so you are still commited but with nothing to lose!
I lost nearly £2,500. Never realised before committing to a full course (in installments, not all up front, but bad enough) how many companies had gone bust before. Some schools ask for a little up-front and that's fine, but if the school wants the money up front for a reduction then negociate a commitment where they give you the discount but all the money off the last bit, so you are still commited but with nothing to lose!
