Totally Confused
The Cooler King
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: In the Desert
Posts: 1,703
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Totally Confused
From the EasyJet website:
First Officers (FO's) have a frozen ATPL (CPL + ATPL theory) and a minimum of 500 hours. FO's can only join the airline through our TRSS scheme.
Does this mean that I don't need an IR??......This is really confusing me!
First Officers (FO's) have a frozen ATPL (CPL + ATPL theory) and a minimum of 500 hours. FO's can only join the airline through our TRSS scheme.
Does this mean that I don't need an IR??......This is really confusing me!
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Derby
Age: 45
Posts: 339
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I doubt
That you could ever find a job at an AIR LINE without an IR. It just doesn't happen.
Air lines shouldn't have to mention that you need an IR, since the IR is something you should've already done BEFORE your CPL.
No dice!
Air lines shouldn't have to mention that you need an IR, since the IR is something you should've already done BEFORE your CPL.
No dice!
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ireland
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
OneIn60rule, where is the IR done BEFORE the CPL? All flight schools I've looked at do the training in the following order: ATPL theory, CPL, ME/IR, MCC. I'm sure that you can do it in any order you like but since you put "BEFORE" in capital letters, you make it sound like the IR is always done before the CPL.
Just curious
Just curious
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Work associated address
Age: 42
Posts: 538
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I guess being on an integrated course the IR is done after the CPL,however if you choose to do modular you could do the IR before the CPL But that is neither here nor there,as mentioned to join an airline you most certainly need to have the IR!!
Regards
Regards
Jet Blast Rat
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Sarfend-on-Sea
Age: 51
Posts: 2,081
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1:60 is in America. The whole system works in a very different way over there.
It may be that a current single-pilot IR is not a requirement. I seriously doubt they would look at you if you had never passed an IRT. For a start I think you need to have done so to take a type-rating course. Lack of currency is always going to be an issue, but although I am willing to be corrected I don't think the IR needs to be current to start a type rating, and of course the type-rating test will give you a multi-crew IR.
It may be that a current single-pilot IR is not a requirement. I seriously doubt they would look at you if you had never passed an IRT. For a start I think you need to have done so to take a type-rating course. Lack of currency is always going to be an issue, but although I am willing to be corrected I don't think the IR needs to be current to start a type rating, and of course the type-rating test will give you a multi-crew IR.
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Europe
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Send Clowns,
Even if JAR-FCL 1.250 - 'Type Rating, multi-pilot - Conditions' - states:
(a)(2) Have a valid ME IR(A),
I don't think you'll be corrected, 'cause as far as I know, a number of member states interpret this so that candidates may start the T/R course with a lapsed IR, and renew the IR(limited to MPA) on the T/R Skil Test
Cheers, Redbar1
Even if JAR-FCL 1.250 - 'Type Rating, multi-pilot - Conditions' - states:
(a)(2) Have a valid ME IR(A),
I don't think you'll be corrected, 'cause as far as I know, a number of member states interpret this so that candidates may start the T/R course with a lapsed IR, and renew the IR(limited to MPA) on the T/R Skil Test
Cheers, Redbar1
.
This came up some months ago, prompted by a statement in LASORS to the effect that an IR was 'valid' for 5 years after the last LPC had expired but current for 1 year. When challenged, the CAA backed down and admitted that the 'DEFINITIVE' guide was wrong (again) and an IR is valid for only 1 year, as clearly stated in JAR-FCL 1.185.
I don't think the IR needs to be current to start a type rating
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So just to sum things up: A type rating can be started with a CPL SE-IR and an expired ME-IR. The ME-IR will be renewed with the type exam. Even though this would be a first MPA type on your licence.... (????Right????)
!!!Wrong!!!
JAR-FCL 1.250 states that, as a pre-requisite condition for training, the applicant for a first type rating on a multi-pilot aeroplane must hold a valid multi-engine instrument rating (A).
JAR-FCL 1.185 states that an IR(A) is valid for one year.
This has been confirmed by the CAA who promise also that LASORS 2005 will contain the correct information.
JAR-FCL 1.250 states that, as a pre-requisite condition for training, the applicant for a first type rating on a multi-pilot aeroplane must hold a valid multi-engine instrument rating (A).
JAR-FCL 1.185 states that an IR(A) is valid for one year.
This has been confirmed by the CAA who promise also that LASORS 2005 will contain the correct information.
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Derby
Age: 45
Posts: 339
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
WEll
I apologize if I sounded rude but the truth of the matter is. No air line is going to want a pilot with NO instrument rating. That simply doesn't happen.
Yes I made a mistake when I said the bit about the CPL. You can do those courses almost in any order BUT it's far wiser to do them the way they are done over here. Reason being you'll have to do some IR work when you do the CPL.
Again my apologies and hope your flying works out for you.
Cheers,
1/60
Yes I made a mistake when I said the bit about the CPL. You can do those courses almost in any order BUT it's far wiser to do them the way they are done over here. Reason being you'll have to do some IR work when you do the CPL.
Again my apologies and hope your flying works out for you.
Cheers,
1/60
Last edited by OneIn60rule; 5th Oct 2004 at 03:51.