Totally Confused

[Farrell]

From the EasyJet website:

First Officers (FO's) have a frozen ATPL (CPL + ATPL theory) and a minimum of 500 hours. FO's can only join the airline through our TRSS scheme.

Does this mean that I don't need an IR??......This is really confusing me!

[OneIn60rule]

I doubt

That you could ever find a job at an AIR LINE without an IR. It just doesn't happen.

Air lines shouldn't have to mention that you need an IR, since the IR is something you should've already done BEFORE your CPL.

No dice!

[PFD]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely a frozen ATPL includes the IR anyway?

[Fergal20]

OneIn60rule, where is the IR done BEFORE the CPL? All flight schools I've looked at do the training in the following order: ATPL theory, CPL, ME/IR, MCC. I'm sure that you can do it in any order you like but since you put "BEFORE" in capital letters, you make it sound like the IR is always done before the CPL.

Just curious

[EGAC_Ramper]

I guess being on an integrated course the IR is done after the CPL,however if you choose to do modular you could do the IR before the CPL But that is neither here nor there,as mentioned to join an airline you most certainly need to have the IR!!


Regards

[The Greaser]

Farrell,

All airline jobs (in the UK anyway) require a minimum of CPL/IR and ATPL theory, this together is known in some circles as a frozen ATPL.

[GusHoneybun]

..... and don't forget the MCC course as well. assuming you don't already have a MPA type rating already.

[Farrell]

i thought this was the case. i supose it's just the advert that's misleading. thanks folks

[Send Clowns]

1:60 is in America. The whole system works in a very different way over there.

It may be that a current single-pilot IR is not a requirement. I seriously doubt they would look at you if you had never passed an IRT. For a start I think you need to have done so to take a type-rating course. Lack of currency is always going to be an issue, but although I am willing to be corrected I don't think the IR needs to be current to start a type rating, and of course the type-rating test will give you a multi-crew IR.

[redbar1]

Send Clowns,

Even if JAR-FCL 1.250 - 'Type Rating, multi-pilot - Conditions' - states:
(a)(2) Have a valid ME IR(A),

I don't think you'll be corrected, 'cause as far as I know, a number of member states interpret this so that candidates may start the T/R course with a lapsed IR, and renew the IR(limited to MPA) on the T/R Skil Test

Cheers, Redbar1

[BillieBob]

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I don't think the IR needs to be current to start a type rating

This came up some months ago, prompted by a statement in LASORS to the effect that an IR was 'valid' for 5 years after the last LPC had expired but current for 1 year. When challenged, the CAA backed down and admitted that the 'DEFINITIVE' guide was wrong (again) and an IR is valid for only 1 year, as clearly stated in JAR-FCL 1.185.

[Danny_at_FL370]

So just to sum things up: A type rating can be started with a CPL SE-IR and an expired ME-IR. The ME-IR will be renewed with the type exam. Even though this would be a first MPA type on your licence.... (????Right????)

[BillieBob]

!!!Wrong!!!

JAR-FCL 1.250 states that, as a pre-requisite condition for training, the applicant for a first type rating on a multi-pilot aeroplane must hold a valid multi-engine instrument rating (A).

JAR-FCL 1.185 states that an IR(A) is valid for one year.

This has been confirmed by the CAA who promise also that LASORS 2005 will contain the correct information.

[OneIn60rule]

WEll

I apologize if I sounded rude but the truth of the matter is. No air line is going to want a pilot with NO instrument rating. That simply doesn't happen.

Yes I made a mistake when I said the bit about the CPL. You can do those courses almost in any order BUT it's far wiser to do them the way they are done over here. Reason being you'll have to do some IR work when you do the CPL.

Again my apologies and hope your flying works out for you.

Cheers,
1/60