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Not directly related to TCT, but her lawyer might want to have a look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vORCkat4gsg |
Jonzarno.
If you really wanted to ensure your questions were seen you could always email her PR man, Tim Kelly. Pretty sure his address is on one of the recent links. I know you won't get an answer but we'd know for certain she/they had been given the opportunity to reply. Hell, say the word and I'll do it on your behalf. |
An extract from the 'Bird in a Biplane website located under the 'Speaking' menu. The date is February 2015, some eighteen months after the Africa- UK flight.
Courtesy: Waybackmachine.org and birdinabiplane.com Tracey Curtis Taylor Aviator, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker Her solo open-cockpit biplane flight from Cape Town to Goodwood was the realisation of something beyond a dream. It encompassed great adventure and daring in some of the most spectacularly beautiful and dangerous parts of the world today. (February 4th 2015) |
Further to that..
An Artemis Investments executive had, part-way through the Africa trip, expressed concerns that things weren't quite what it said on the tin. It would appear that, somehow, Tracey had persuaded him to go home and mind his own business. On the second round (Oz) it soon became apparent to a number of aviation industry people that they'd been misled. I suspect that those people then just sat back with a beer, (as we do down here) saying .. 'OK, let's see how this one goes'. Then, astoundingly, on the third round (USA), the TCT machine continued to shamelessly bang the "Solo Aviatrix" drum .. and even louder. She's fast running out of places where she'll be welcome - and, TCT and EG, I'd also advise against turning up at Winslow Arizona again expecting fuel, y'hear? . |
RHT
Yes please! Indeed, if anyone else wants to do so as well to demonstrate that it comes from more than one person, perhaps it will help to get their attention. I do stress again that if, despite the prima facie evidence quoted, they do have good answers: I stand ready to be convinced. |
Is she editing her new film now? It is due out soon. She could make a film about near misses, burgling controlled and restricted airspace, poor technique, reckless flying and crashing vintage aircraft though. Solo or two-up, I'd love to watch that! PM |
Perhaps she could use the film to come clean, to issue an apology, and to show how she's learned the error of her ways.
I bet that would be a good seller. |
Originally Posted by Fred Tesson
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Perhaps she could use the film to come clean, to issue an apology, and to show how she's learned the error of her ways.
I bet that would be a good seller. Fred Tesson's "learned the error of her ways" comment is important. The error is not just the removal of the S-word, that would have been done from the start. The main error that will be getting edited is the focus on outreach. I believe that material to cut-in may just be a bit thin on the ground. My understanding of Nylon films is that they make documentaries in a speculative way, they make the film then try to sell it to whoever will buy it. Am I right in thinking it was first aired on the BBC? BBC are not known as the top-notch payers and they would not have paid top-dollar for it I am sure. Nylon can afford to take these risks. I very much doubt that the third phase will complete as I don't think the money to do so is there to fund the flight. Africa to UK - Massive sponsorship, and a film company that could self-finance if necessary. UK to OZ - Went ahead on the momentum of the previous trip, sponsors still dragged along but queries starting to appear. Seattle to Winslow - Not much film available, there can't be any worthwhile outreach in the USA. If it has not happened already, it certainly will, BOEING and ARETEMIS should be asking some rather embarrassing questions of TCT and team. They certainly have grounds to ask for their money back. The Africa to UK trip as mentioned above was funded based on a fundamental lie. |
Boeing and Artemis have never made any comment even when approached by the press.
I would have thought they have some sort of corporate responsibility to answer questions on the solo claims that generated so many global headlines but proved to be lies. Is there also a requirement to answer shareholders on why they spent considerable sums on the Spirit of Artemis? Any ideas on who to contact at Boeing? Dick Turpin appears to be the man who said yes at Artemis. |
Evidently they were either duped or were complicit ( or both at different times).
A bit difficult to explain either way I would have thought. |
Nylon Films were only involved in the first trip (Capetown to Goodwood). The Australia trip was due to be filmed by a private crew funded by Diana Rigg. I don't know which company she hired or what has happened with the footage this far. I also don't know whether they went as far as the USA trip.
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fwjc
TCT was saying two months ago that the footage was in the cutting room. Mind you, she says a lot of things. :hmm: |
It appears the 'documentary' was commissioned by National Geographic.
This from the Inmarsat website. There are few period pictures and movie records of the early flights of the 1920 and 30s, so filming her journey will not only help keep history alive but footage also will be used to educate a new generation of aviation enthusiasts. In this way Tracey hopes to provide young people with an enthralling example of adventure that reflects the great achievements of our pioneering forebears. Footage from the cameraman, as well as from the cockpit and wings of Tracey’s biplane, has captured stunning shots of the scenery, the challenges and moments of high emotion. This will now be pieced together in a documentary made by Leopard Films and commissioned by National Geographic, to pay homage to Amy Johnson. She has been flying for many years; taking her first lesson at the age 16 and learning to fly in New Zealand after emigrating there in her early twenties. Later Tracey returned to the UK and became a commercial pilot and a flying instructor. But her real passion was for vintage aircraft and warbirds. In 1997 she helped organise Duxford’s Flying Legends air shows and later became the first female pilot to be based at the historic Shuttleworth Collection, at Biggleswade in Bedfordshire. Today she lives in Cambridge, UK, working predominantly with historic aviation and air show organisation. |
JS - I'd take your pick from this lot. As a rough guess, I'd go for both of the Enterprise Core people. If it's not them, they will know whose area of responsibility funding for joy flights belongs. Sorry, I meant outreach, inspirational, empowerment and enabling programmes for wimmin.
PM |
My thoughts are go to the top.
Boeing: Dennis A. Muilenburg Dennis Muilenburg is chairman of the board, president and chief executive officer of The Boeing Company. Muilenburg, 52, oversees the strategic direction of the Chicago-based, $96.1 billion aerospace company. With approximately 160,000 employees across the United States and in more than 65 countries, Boeing is the world's largest aerospace company and top U.S. exporter. It is the leading manufacturer of commercial airplanes, military aircraft, and defense, space and security systems; it supports airlines and U.S. and allied government customers in more than 150 nations. Muilenburg became chairman of the board in March 2016, chief executive officer in July 2015 and president in December 2013. |
Any thoughts on the email to send to Dennis? |
I agree Jonzarno
It would help the thread if someone can put those questions to Dennis in either an email or an old fashioned letter. I am more than happy to assist with publicity once the letter has been drafted and sent. He then has two choices. Reply and give answers. Ignore and face the press. |
Islandlad has reminded us of two other related threads:
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...africa-10.html and http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ne-flight.html I could merge them to this thread, but am hesitating. This thread is already awkwardly long, and merging would place all the posts in chronological order. The result would be that to pick out the newly merged posts, the reader would have to re read the whole (now longer) thread, as they would be scattered all along by date. If there is a persuasive reason to do this, it will be considered. In the mean time, interested readers may follow the links to those threads and read them independently. |
Tracey Curtis-Taylor (born 1962) is a British aviator who has worked as a commercial pilot and flying instructor in New Zealand. Q: What sparked your interest in aviation? I love the early planes. It’s completely romantic and whimsical but that’s my approach to flying. It became a hobby. I’m not interested in modern procedural flying. I’ve never been a professional flyer. I’m just an enthusiastic aviator. Go figure. Someone is camping on her Wiki page and seeng that anything they don't approve of is removed toot de sweet, and have been doing so for weeks. They are certainly dedicated. In fact, I think I'll do it again, now. Let's see how long this one lasts. |
I'd give you fair odds it will TCT herself. I expect she has more time on her hands then she expected at the moment. Airpolice has nicely summed up my understanding...so I'd be interested in any corrections because - like many on here - truth, clarity, transparency & integrity matter a great deal.
Go figure. Someone is camping on her Wiki page and seeng that anything they don't approve of is removed toot de sweet, and have been doing so for weeks. They are certainly dedicated. |
Did I miss anything relevant? With the single exception of the apparent WIKI shennanigans mentioned in the post following yours, you have boiled 2600 odd posts down to one easily digestible and understandable statement of the allegations against Ms Curtis-Taylor and her team. Congratulations! :ok: |
I have to agree with Jonzarno.
An excellent synopsis. |
I agree with Jonzarno and Jay. That is an accurate summary of events Airpolice.
All that is required now is that those key points are dated to make a clear timeline of events, and a link to just one piece of evidence for each point is also posted. Include the awards she has been given and when any were taken away. This would form the basis of an e-mail to the sponsors, the papers and the award givers. Just ask them to comment on the content and see what comes back. I am drafting a letter separately to Portsmouth Uni. which will be with them tomorrow. [email protected] it would have been done sooner but I have been busy and I want to be 100% sure that the facts are correct. On the BiaP website there is a contact page to arrange speaking engagements Anyone know of a good central venue where she come come and talk to us? I am thinking NEC B'Ham should be a good gig Trace, might be a tough crowd though. Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker |
For Clarity.
Another plea for restraint please! There were wails of "illegal VFR on top" at the lovely photo of the Spirit of Artifice flying over a sheet of cloud. We do ourselves no favours making such accusations when the ground is patently and clearly visible in the background... Even if VFR on top is illegal, which I didn't think it was (in UK) but on N reg who knows, though I doubt it. Even so, is IMC forbidden in a Stearman? I doubt that too. Re low flying. If you're going to make accusations based on quoting the rules (mentioning no names) do try to get the definition right! It's persons, vessels, vehicles and structures, not objects. And, bad taste as buzzing them may be, whales do not fall into any of those categories. RAF wings. We see people who didn't earn them wearing far more emotive objects than mere wings on Remembrance Sunday with this rather weird new style of civvies parading an ancestor's medals. To me that is just bizarre and inappropriate as opposed to abhorrent. Although I am not comfortable with her sporting them I don't think that a set of antique wings given by a supporter and worn on the collar is any better or worse than sporting Gt. Uncle Digby's gongs on the right hand side on Nov 11 is it? If she had the gall to wear them on her left breast it would be altogether a different matter. |
If she had the gall to wear them on her left breast it would be altogether a different matter |
OH! Is she? I'd missed that.
In which case TOTALLY out of order and I thought a Criminal Offence to boot. That does need to be dealt with. |
The wiki page appears to change every day.
Here is part of the talk page... Logged Stearman hours - not enough to cover her trips[edit] In her testimony to the AAIB at the time of her Goodwood accident, Curtis-Taylor claimed "at least" 350 hrs on the Stearman. By the time of her Winslow accident the total claimed was 450. So, 100 more. On her website she claims the Australia trip was variously 14,600 miles or 13,000 miles. Then there is the US trip as far as the accident plus anything between the two expeditions. The Australia trip alone is a lot more than the Stearman could do in 100 hrs. It is unknown if she did not actually fly the entire route claimed or she has simply logged incorrect hours. However it does show that editors need to consider she is not a very reliable source when citing references that can be traced to her, and not give undue weight to her claims without independant verification. Beck daross (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2016 (UTC) Not sure what your trying to say here, but 'original research' does not belong in wikipedia. Also making suggestions that a person has broken rules that invite sanction might be considered https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.43.64 (talk) 13:19, 4 November 2016 (UTC) This is the discussion page where we discuss things like how reliable sources are - including the subject. I think the point I made was pretty clear, Curtis-Taylor is not a reliable source because the Stearman hours that she has declared in her testimony to accident investigators, which she has signed off as a true and accurate record, are way short of those needed to fly the expeditions. Do you have anything to say to editors here that would help clear up that discrepency? Beck daross (talk) 23:19, 4 November 2016 (UTC) |
RAF Brevet
I have solved the mystery of where her RAF wings came from.
http://www.jetgala.com/story_201627_...IS-TAYLOR.html I’VE NEVER BEEN A PROFESSIONAL FLYER. I’M JUST AN ENTHUSIASTIC AVIATOR” Q: What are your pre-flight rituals? I don’t have any. I just can’t wait to get in and go. With all the time it takes for airport clearance, I can’t wait to get into the air. One airport took seven hours to clear and I just lay on my bag in my seat and slept. I do wear a little globe around my neck. One of my closest friends, Dame Diana Rigg, gave it to me three years ago. It’s handmade and has ‘Africa’ and ‘Australia’ written on it, which is the Southern hemisphere. So that’s my good luck charm. An old friend from the Air Force also gave me his original RAF Wings that I pin to my flight suit. As a footnote to the above here is some more info on the publishers of Jetgala Magazine. http://www.jetgala.com/current-issue.html Oriental Media Group is a full-service publishing and events group, based in both Singapore and Vietnam. We provide the international ultra-luxury and bespoke lifestyle industries with clearly focussed marketing, branding, advertising and exhibition platforms. Our fast expanding line-up of publications and events targets the top tier of the world's fastest-growing luxury market - the Asia Pacific region. Oriental Media Group is slated to grow exponentially in both size and strength, producing a variety of well-focussed and sharply targeted ultra-luxury titles, along with a line-up of luxury events. We understand and appreciate luxury - it is our only business. |
noflynomore,
I concur in general, but let's not forget she is an honorary officer in the maritime reserve. https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media...t.pdf?la=en-gb section 4 page 26. For me this obligates her to operate and behave in a manner befitting a commissioned officer (I was one such and of equivalent RAF rank). The wearing of unearned awards and publicly boasting about flying ill-discipline is utterly incompatible with her position. If she does not want to observe military standards she should resign her position and in any event, right about now the RN should be pulling their heads out their arses and finding out the truth of all of this. And just to be clear...ad hoc/random flying a light a/c ultra low level over the open ocean is an act of monumental stupidity and and boasting about it unchallenged on national radio is something which IMO the CAA should have investigated by now. |
OFO, I entirely agree with your points re uniform and decorum and the action the RN should take.
As to flying ultra low level I'm not so sure. Out of gliding range of the coast if your donk stops you're going for a swim regardless and I don't see that the time interval between the two is really important. It might, on occasion, be unwise or inadvisable but I rather think "monumental stupidity" is over-egging the pudding a little. |
No thread drift, so I'll let it go after this, but for the benefit of any private flyers who like to go over the oggin.
You go in the open ocean (out of sight of land) untrained and unequipped you are pretty much odds on favorite to die. Ultra low level increases the hazard enormously (birds, waves, swell, reaction times to control your ditching, disorientation, time to restart the donk, out of radar cover etc etc). Monumental stupidity is not over egging it one jot. Qualification: Advanced Sea Survival Instructor, trained at RAF Mountbatten 1985, 5000 hours maritime, searched for many a light aircraft pilot, never found one. Back to thread [I will not reply on this subject again...esp as I've said it all in the private flyers forum several times before] |
Trying to establish the truth about TCT is like knitting spaghetti.
Take this quote from AOPA suggesting she trained as a diplomat! Raised in Canada, Curtis-Taylor has lived in England, where she trained as a diamond valuer and diplomat; in South Africa; and in New Zealand, where she learned to fly World War II airplanes with the New Zealand Warbird Association. She also has worked in aerial photography and mapping. She has as strong of an interest in antique cars as she does in airplanes. Alton K. Marsh So is Alton making this up or has he been fed a press release? Here are his qualifications... AOPA Pilot Senior Editor, AOPA AOPA Pilot Senior Editor Alton Marsh has been a pilot since 1970 and has an airline transport pilot certificate and instrument and multiengine flight instructor certificates, aerobatic training, and a commercial seaplane certificate. . |
An old friend from the Air Force also gave me his original RAF Wings that I pin to my flight suit. Birds, feathers etc. etc. |
This man has a lot of appointments including the RAF and Royal Navy
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafshawbury/ra...20426-HRH5.jpg Have the sponsors logo's changed? I cannot see the RNRM charity logo. http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/0d6eb0c212...nal-geh3t0.jpg |
SWB,
I wrote to the Vice Chancellor of Portsmouth University immediately after the LAA rescinded TCT's award. No reply form the university yet. Good luck. |
Birds, feathers etc. etc. - B Fraser
Which reminds me I made an earlier reference to "birds of a feather" at Post #799 in July, ie before we had fully realised the "provenance" of the RAF wings concerned, namely: "Birds of a feather perhaps, observing that Prince Michael wears wings in both naval and army uniforms, despite having completed no formal flying training that I have seen recorded." Of course there's always the possibility that he too was given his wings by old friends, one from each of the three Services.......:rolleyes: Jack |
Originally Posted by Lind1795
SWB,
I wrote to the Vice Chancellor of Portsmouth University immediately after the LAA rescinded TCT's award. No reply form the university yet. Good luck. |
Indeed, Union Jack! Unlike Prince Philip, Prince Charles, Prince Andrew, Prince William or Prince Harry....
Given that Prince Michael would have been 9 at the time of the death of King George VI, it is unlikely that any 'original' RAF flying badge would have born a king's crown either. So it would have to have been a very 'old' friend who gave that woman his 'original' RAF flying badge....:confused: |
Right Hand Thread,
The university looks less than professional. Utterly disappointing. It amazed me that any university could award an honorary doctorate without having undertaken any decent research. |
"It amazed me that any university could award an honorary doctorate without having undertaken any decent research".
Are you. Why? It's all nudge nudge wink wink at that level, isn't it. Artemis/Boeing/The aviatrix have done some good business together, the misrepresentation/s has only assisted the cause. I'm guessing that they all just wished that the plebs would shut-up as the show will be going on in any event. |
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