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tomtytom 1st Aug 2013 08:26

It sounds dodgy. I only really understood the paperwork side to planes after buying a share. Now every time I climb into something new or different its not with out checking all the documents are present in date and relevant. Every pilot has done air law and should be aware of the responsibilities to ensure that its all cosher.

cockney steve 1st Aug 2013 09:50


ensure that its all cosher
Freudian slip? sounds like, if you were a punter, they'd "cosh-yer"
Perhaps "Mugging" would be more appropriate?

robbo 1st Aug 2013 11:34

Tomytom’s comment ‘Now every time I climb into something new or different its not with out checking all the documents are present in date and relevant’ is very good advice.

Reputable flying clubs operate transparently and will include everything (fuel, VAT, landing fees etc … and the all important hull insurance) in their prices. If it seems cheap – beware, and start asking questions.

JUST-local 1st Aug 2013 12:17

After a look at all the prices at the Blackpool flying schools/clubs Fly BPL are or were charging the most!

robbo 1st Aug 2013 12:37

Quite honestly I would check out exactly what is included in the prices quoted by any flying school. Lack of hull insurance would certainly ring alarm bells!
Anyone who has owned an aircraft knows only too well the true costs involved.

Bob Stinger 1st Aug 2013 15:58

Fly Bpl seem to be coming in for some stick on here . RM has helped lots of people out when they have needed it . I have taken people there who needed certain hours, short of money or impending revalidations when other flying schools couldn't or wouldn't help. As upyer rrr pointed out people are potentially losing their jobs. The loss of fly Bpl would be a bad thing , and I for one hope it doesn't happen. It's easy to sit and write on here under a pen name, I don't.

robbo 1st Aug 2013 18:35

Bob

I have no issue with any flying club that is open and transparent about their fees and, in particular, its insurance cover – whether it is flybpl or any other flying school.
For me, hull cover is an absolute essential and is something I would always ask about.

No-one wants to hear of people losing their jobs, nor of the closure of any flying school.

As for the rights or wrongs of posting on any forum under a nom de plume. To my knowledge RM himself posts on this same website under two different nom de plumes, possibly more. But, like everyone else – that’s his choice.

boy entrant 1st Aug 2013 19:40

Hey Bob Stinger I have never heard your name mentioned at Fly Bpl or the old Comed in all the 20 years I have been around RM so give us a bit more info as to who you are ?

soay 1st Aug 2013 19:50

Hey, boy entrant, your alias doesn't fit very well with your professed 20 years proximity to RM. Maybe that's why you haven't heard of Bob Stinger!

Upyer RRR 1st Aug 2013 19:54

Thread shift?
 
It seems to me that the subject of this thread has moved from the original 'Is Fly BPL about to close?' to something nearer to 'Does RM give a fair deal on aircraft insurance?' and 'Let's slag him off'.

My information is that Boy Entrant has fairly recently left the employ of RM under something of a cloud, and might have his own agenda; this may explain the tone of some of his postings.

Further information I have been given is that most of the instructors there do not have other jobs. At least three are trying to supplement their pensions.

Bob Stinger is kind to broadly support my concern for those instructors, engineers, office staff/bar staff, likely to be financially embarrassed by the situation. RM is may be not as white as white, but he's no blacker than one or two other names we all know at Blackpool airport.

But anyway chaps, let's get the subject back to the title: Is It The Beginning Of The End? :confused:

lastchance 3rd Aug 2013 10:12

Flybpl beginning of the end?
 
Interesting thing is that when you sign in as a member at flybpl RM has posted a notice advising not to book on line due to a dispute with Blackpool airport. It would appear though that no-one has informed Blackpool airport that they are in a dispute with flybpl. The Corporate Affairs Manager wasn't aware, so what's REALLY going on with RM and flybpl

tomtytom 3rd Aug 2013 16:41

New management at the airport?

Utterly 5th Aug 2013 11:05

Win a plane??
 
Anyone seen the addition to the FLY bpl website??

SpannerInTheWerks 5th Aug 2013 11:39


T&C apply
... '£100.00 ticket money will be used to pay off fuel bill'

:}

Jeffs26 5th Aug 2013 11:56

No equity group at Isle of Man aswell

SpannerInTheWerks 5th Aug 2013 12:07

... 'the winner will receive a prize of a Piper PA-99 Phoenix, comprising a choice of the best parts of any of the aircraft currently residing as hanger queens within the FlyBpl hanger',

... 'the aircraft will be supplied with no maintenance issues and any subsequent incidents or accidents will therefore be due to pilot error only',

... 'all insurance to be provided by the pilot/owner'.

:} :ok:

pirx 5th Aug 2013 17:27

Fly BPL lottery
 
As I'm sure you all know, there are a few laws relating to lotteries in the UK:

"Lotteries (also known as raffles) cannot be run for private or commercial gain."

"You need an operating licence from the Gambling Commission if you currently run or want to run a gambling service through remote communication (including online gambling) and any part of your remote equipment is based in Great Britain"

Pirx

long final 5th Aug 2013 18:21

Win an airplane - £100 a ticket. Priceless!

boy entrant 6th Aug 2013 08:57

I can tell you who has won it right now .....his bar Manageress.

Lost in Cloud 6th Aug 2013 10:34

Win a plane... seriously?
 
Just had a look at the flybpl website and the 'Win an Aircraft' is a complete joke! Buy a ticket for £100, a draw will take place on 30th Sept, T&C Apply.

There is a buy button... No more details like what the aircraft is, how many tickets will be sold, no link to said T&C (I would at least imagine they mean T&C's). I agree with a previous poster as well about laws governing lotteries and doubt flybpl will be complying with the law.

Seriously anyone who enters their details and hands over their money deserves to be ripped off.


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