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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 13:42
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Question Fly Bpl - Is It The Beginning Of The End???

Just heard on Blackpool airport that Flybpl has had their fuel account suspended??

Sounds like the Flight Academy Blackpool/Aircraft Grouping saga all over again !!

Can anybody confirm this??

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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 19:26
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I know this is a rumour network but its a bit harsh posting that on here.
Coincidence that hanger 8 is re opening
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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 22:09
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Correct, it is a rumour network & this is a rumour. Not sure what the problem is ??

Funny how you are a new member. Your not RM in one of your many disguises re you????

As for hangar 8, I lost money with flight academy so I really don't give a shite about it

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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 08:00
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its no rumor that the airport have stopped allowing him to refuel but he does have funds coming in soon He has no Hull insurance on any of his a/c and after an accident he then sues the survivors or in two cases the deceased estate for 35000 with the last two accidents (Swiss & Caernarfon) going thro' the courts as I write he thinks he is due 70000 any day now and that should clear the fuel bill

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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 09:35
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......he then sues the survivors or in two cases the diseased estate for 35000
Hmm - foot and mouth or plague?
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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 10:21
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Or not paying attention to spell chicken

Anyway, I'd sooner hear a rumour with spelling mistakes than wait for proofread copy.

Especially as the poster has revealed quite shocking behaviour; the AAIB haven't finished with the Caernafon report yet.

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he sent the demand for 35000 5 days after the accident whilst the Pilot was still in intensive care.as for waiting for the A.A.I.B report he commented on national TV the next day that his a/c was not to blame and pilot error was.
If you want to Defend the man lend him the 25000 for the fuel.

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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 12:56
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Why would anyone hire an uninsured aircraft?

Was it made abundantly clear to those hiring that they were taking the aircraft with only third-party cover and that they should arrange their own insurance cover? If so, then the "uninsured" problem is the pilot's problem (or his estate). if not, then I suspect that the court cases to collect on those claims will be a long and (to outsiders) interesting process.
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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 13:30
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It is not made clear to pilots hiring aircraft that they are not insured.

I suspect fewer pilots would have flown with FlyBpl had they known that in the past?!

RM has made unreasonable demands on pilots where the airworthiness and safety of his aircraft is concerned - this is totally unacceptable behaviour from a flight instructor and CAA authorised flight examiner.

Whilst FlyBpl provide a relatively cheap means of aviating for many, this behaviour seems to be at a relatively extortionate price for some?

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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 14:13
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Taken from the Flying Order Book on the website - http://www.flybpl.com/photos/downloa...order-book.pdf

7. Flybpl.com recommend private Insurance for the Pilot to be taken out by the Pilot / Commander, as flybpl.com Insurance does not cover and cannot be held responsible for any losses or damage caused by the PILOT.
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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 14:28
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Whilst that is the wording of Clause 7 of the Flying Order Book, it does not make it clear that there is no insurance in place in respect of loss of the hull of the aircraft.

It suggests, but does not state, that the insurance relates to third party and public liability insurance - and not that relating to the aircraft themselves.

Most reputable flying schools and clubs insure their aircraft fully with third party and public liablity insurance being available to school/club members (hence the temporary membership form or 'blood chit' which is required for all those non-members flying as passengers in school/club aircraft).

FlyBpl's Clause 7 is, to my knowledge, not the usual situation with respect to aircraft/pilot/passenger insurance provisions within the auspices of a flying school or club.

It would be interesting to learn how, for example, a passenger taking a flight in a FlyBpl aircraft could obtain that insurance at short notice prior to a flight on a Sunday? Maybe there is a sister company 'FlyBpl Insurance Services' which provide such insurance cover - I can't see the advert on the website though?
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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 14:37
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EU minimum insurance includes cover (250K) for each passenger ,I recall that twenty years ago when I was training there were discussions about whether the club insurance covered the pilot against damage HE did to club aircraft, so this issue is not new. I suppose those looking for the cheapest way to fly should possibly consider other issues alongside cost.
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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 15:15
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EU minimum insurance includes cover (250K) for each passenger
The EU minimum cover for passenger liability is 100,000 SDR's. About 100,000 the last time I checked - a derisory amount.
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 00:31
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Speaking of insurance, sounds like another problem that needs addressing!! Very soon. Awkard!!
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 17:37
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Hope he don't appear in the Isle of Man !
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 18:34
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Most likely.

He has a company which is listed at Companies House, was formed in 2010 and whose accounts were made up to December 2012.

It is based in Hanger 2 at Blackpool Airport.

The company is Manx Airlines Limited, Company Number 07478345.

I hope you'll make this new venture welcome on the Island and open your wallets to it.
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 18:54
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The rumour drums are working overtime at Blackpool

Funny you mention that asitwas. It appears he has been to the Isle of Man today.

Can anybody on EGNS confirm ??
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 20:51
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People on the IOM have very long memories !
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 21:31
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Very long memories backed up by an excellent word by mouth communication system. Yes, well certainly spread the 'news' . we can well do without RMs type of outfit!
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 16:19
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Just had a interesting chat with an old friend who now is a member of Flybpl's no equity group at Blackpool.

They have just logged into the booking system to see the below message

Commercial Dispute with Blackpool Airport


Until further notice members are advised not to book flights on line that operate from Blackpool Airport, Group Locations are operating as normal, please call if you wish an update on 01253 341238.
We hope to have this resolved within the next day or two.
Thankyou for your patience.

Interesting, what are they disputing...........whether to pay the fuel bill or not ???

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