Fly Bpl - Is It The Beginning Of The End???
 

Just heard on Blackpool airport that Flybpl has had their fuel account suspended??

Sounds like the Flight Academy Blackpool/Aircraft Grouping saga all over again !!

Can anybody confirm this??

AFN :rolleyes:

I know this is a rumour network but its a bit harsh posting that on here.
Coincidence that hanger 8 is re opening:eek:

Jeffs26

Correct, it is a rumour network & this is a rumour. Not sure what the problem is ??

Funny how you are a new member. Your not RM in one of your many disguises re you????:=

As for hangar 8, I lost money with flight academy so I really don't give a ****e about it

AFN

its no rumor that the airport have stopped allowing him to refuel but he does have funds coming in soon He has no Hull insurance on any of his a/c and after an accident he then sues the survivors or in two cases the deceased estate for £35000 with the last two accidents (Swiss & Caernarfon) going thro' the courts as I write he thinks he is due £70000 any day now and that should clear the fuel bill

Hmm - foot and mouth or plague?

Or not paying attention to spell chicken :ok:

Anyway, I'd sooner hear a rumour with spelling mistakes than wait for proofread copy.

Especially as the poster has revealed quite shocking behaviour; the AAIB haven't finished with the Caernafon report yet.

SGC

he sent the demand for £35000 5 days after the accident whilst the Pilot was still in intensive care.as for waiting for the A.A.I.B report he commented on national TV the next day that his a/c was not to blame and pilot error was.
If you want to Defend the man lend him the £25000 for the fuel.

Why would anyone hire an uninsured aircraft?

Was it made abundantly clear to those hiring that they were taking the aircraft with only third-party cover and that they should arrange their own insurance cover? If so, then the "uninsured" problem is the pilot's problem (or his estate). if not, then I suspect that the court cases to collect on those claims will be a long and (to outsiders) interesting process.

It is not made clear to pilots hiring aircraft that they are not insured.

I suspect fewer pilots would have flown with FlyBpl had they known that in the past?!

RM has made unreasonable demands on pilots where the airworthiness and safety of his aircraft is concerned - this is totally unacceptable behaviour from a flight instructor and CAA authorised flight examiner.

Whilst FlyBpl provide a relatively cheap means of aviating for many, this behaviour seems to be at a relatively extortionate price for some?

:=

Taken from the Flying Order Book on the website - http://www.flybpl.com/photos/downloa...order-book.pdf

7. Flybpl.com recommend private Insurance for the Pilot to be taken out by the Pilot / Commander, as flybpl.com Insurance does not cover and cannot be held responsible for any losses or damage caused by the PILOT.

Buttino

Whilst that is the wording of Clause 7 of the Flying Order Book, it does not make it clear that there is no insurance in place in respect of loss of the hull of the aircraft.

It suggests, but does not state, that the insurance relates to third party and public liability insurance - and not that relating to the aircraft themselves.

Most reputable flying schools and clubs insure their aircraft fully with third party and public liablity insurance being available to school/club members (hence the temporary membership form or 'blood chit' which is required for all those non-members flying as passengers in school/club aircraft).

FlyBpl's Clause 7 is, to my knowledge, not the usual situation with respect to aircraft/pilot/passenger insurance provisions within the auspices of a flying school or club.

It would be interesting to learn how, for example, a passenger taking a flight in a FlyBpl aircraft could obtain that insurance at short notice prior to a flight on a Sunday? Maybe there is a sister company 'FlyBpl Insurance Services' which provide such insurance cover - I can't see the advert on the website though?

EU minimum insurance includes cover (£250K) for each passenger ,I recall that twenty years ago when I was training there were discussions about whether the club insurance covered the pilot against damage HE did to club aircraft, so this issue is not new. I suppose those looking for the cheapest way to fly should possibly consider other issues alongside cost.
MOREOIL

The EU minimum cover for passenger liability is 100,000 SDR's. About £100,000 the last time I checked - a derisory amount.

Speaking of insurance, sounds like another problem that needs addressing!! Very soon. Awkard!! :bored:

Hope he don't appear in the Isle of Man !

Most likely.

He has a company which is listed at Companies House, was formed in 2010 and whose accounts were made up to December 2012.

It is based in Hanger 2 at Blackpool Airport.

The company is Manx Airlines Limited, Company Number 07478345.

I hope you'll make this new venture welcome on the Island and open your wallets to it.

The rumour drums are working overtime at Blackpool :oh:

Funny you mention that asitwas. It appears he has been to the Isle of Man today.

Can anybody on EGNS confirm ??

People on the IOM have very long memories !

Very long memories backed up by an excellent word by mouth communication system. Yes, we’ll certainly spread the 'news' …. we can well do without RM’s type of outfit!

Commercial Dispute with Blackpool Airport


Until further notice members are advised not to book flights on line that operate from Blackpool Airport, Group Locations are operating as normal, please call if you wish an update on 01253 341238.
We hope to have this resolved within the next day or two.
Thankyou for your patience.

Interesting, what are they disputing...........whether to pay the fuel bill or not ???:mad:

AFN

All flights today and tomorrow at Flybpl departing Blackpool have been cancelled. There's a notice on the booking system not to book anymore slots at egnh until further notice :(
I personally enjoy his flying club. He's always been sound with me. Hope he manages to get it sorted soon

out of interest Jeffs 26 has he ever mentioned that if you crash his plane you pay him £35000 ?

It's cheap. £70/ month, £70 an hour inc fuel. The 3rd party insurance isn't ideal but you get what you pay for, apart from at the moment of course :rolleyes: Wouldn't mind paying a few extra quid to get that insurance cover in place tbh

Think that Flybpl would have massive problems if they were or started to scrimp on the maintenance of their aircraft though. Safety should be no 1

Anyway I take it boy entrant you'll be fully insuring your aircraft? :ok:

like every flying school (except Fly/Bpl) we can't afford not to

If a private hire, not a business hire
If insurance (lack) not specifically drawn to attention and discussed....

Then I suspect that no-one will be paying out in a hurry and I would rate it 75/25 that a court would not enforce payment. Get a good lawyer and take advice.

Cash flow consequences then follow- as a minimum.

How long before a JCB/De-icing Rig is parked across the hanger doors?

... or there is a mass fly out to Kirkbride, Barton, Bagby or the IOM.

last time the airport impounded all the aircraft he operated, and the owners had to cough up for the fuel bill, it's now a week since anything flew and he hasn't found an Idiot with money, must be a worrying time for investors OK for him though he can go back to delivering milk

sometimes in life justice has a habit of finding a way to bite you !

How old and in what sort of condition are these supposed £35 grand aircraft?

Most 20-40 year old, worn out flying school type machines, like C172's and Pa28's are worth no more than £10k on a good day in todays market.

Reference to G-INFO on the CAA website states, in relation to G-ATRR:

'Insurance details in respect of aircraft G-ATRR

'EC Regulation 785/2004 on insurance requirements for air carriers and aircraft operators requires that all aircraft (subject to some exclusions) flying within the European Economic Area carry minimum levels of insurance in respect of third parties, passengers, baggage and cargo. In the UK, evidence of insurance is being requested as part of the registration process as one of the methods of ensuring compliance with the new regulation.

'The following is an estimate of the minimum insurance requirements based on the information held by the CAA. Please read the notes that follow the estimate.

'It is the operators or air carriers responsibility to ensure that the aircraft is insured in accordance with the requirements of EC Regulation 785/2004 at all times'.

...

Minimum Cover ((Combined Single Limit) for Non-Commercial Operations) : GBP 1,770,300.

How do these requirements reconcile with the statement in the Flying Order Book that it is recommended that 'private Insurance for the Pilot to be taken out by the Pilot / Commander' and the alleged writ issued by RM to the pilot?

Separately, according to the CAA website there was a change of ownership on 25 April 2013 when RM purchased the aircraft from Blue Sky Investments of Douglas, IOM - the aircraft having been based on the IOM for many years.

Surely a fair valuation of the aeroplane could be determined from the purchase price paid just prior to the accident at Caernarfon when RM acquired the PA28?

SpannerInTheWerks

Just heard all aircraft associated with RM & Flybpl have been impounded by the airport even if they are privately owned!! As long as he has been using them they are included. :O

No mass fly out for this situation !!:=

AFN

Just hold your horses a minute or two, guys and gals. Bear in mind that while you are chortling and laughing about the situation, there are people working at Fly Bpl who stand to lose their livelihoods, and for those paid by the flying hour, they are earning absolutely nothing at the moment. It may be a figure of fun for some of you, but for other people the situation is pretty bleak.

You have a point U RRR I feel for those people

For some instructors its also twice its happened to them in less than a year, a few came over from flight academy. The joys of working in ga. :rolleyes:

I have heard some bull **** in my time, every one of his instructors has other work (full time Milk round,air traffic controler IT civil servant)they are all part timers 3 of them ended up with him because they were given the push from ANT another from westair and one even got the sack from Flight Academy

Just wondered if an ex AGL manager who spun out plenty of yarns for Craig Seville now works for this outfit ?

If he does then KARMA is working well:ok:

Do we need to ask why they where given the sack or pushes?

I'll always be grateful to RM for providing me with the opportunity to build hours at a very reasonable rate to enable me to complete my ME Instructor Rating and to renew my ME IR during the course of the past year.

I simply could not have afforded the cost of 20+ hours of multi-engine time had it not been for the 'no equity' scheme and G-FBPL.

I don't know the facts associated with the current events as I haven't flown there recently, however best wishes to the staff and club members going forward.

AJM :)

belowradar

If his first name begins with the letter G he does, came straight over from FA.

Gm left Flybpl at least 5 weeks ago to set up his own business or at least be the manager at hangar 8 Blackpool.
Got to say that if rm is shutting up shop he's very calm about it. I think he may have a rescue plan chaps, might be wrong. Time will tell......