It is all very well having your own train set, but if all your best playmates leave because you will not let them have a go it becomes much les fun!:}

Obviously it is pprunes decision on who they want on their site!
G is slightly different as he has contributed a lot and is held in high regard by many so it would have to be something very serious like stealing the family silver to get him
Banned for good! If its an internal ego thing then ???
Regardless some time has passed and we as the members should by now get a decision one way or the other regarding G.
I hope it is positive as the site needs people like him who have such a depth of knowledge and who are prepared to spend many hours sharing it with others!

Pace

Members? Oh you mean free of charge users of someone elses asset.......

Seriously what planet are you on thinking that anyone has to answer to the 'members' on here?

As far as I can see G has beein reinstated, he may just be deciding to keep his head down. To frank, I don't see what business of anyone of the users on here it is as to what actually went on in the first place. Its an anonymous forum provided free of charge to anyone who wants to sign up and funded by advertising revenues and as such can be run however the owners see fit. If someone doesnt like it then don't let the door hit them in the ass on the way out!!!

Come on guys, there are better things to discuss than this!

Perhaps what is needed is a "protest day".

At day when those of us who feel strongly about the matter, refuse to post here.

If there are enough of us the feel strongly about it, Pprune management should take notice of the lack of activity on Private Flying and the potential implications for their asset. If there aren't then at least we know that they are content to continue to ignore us.

dp

Bose,
how are they able to fund it with advertisement revenues

Maybe because of the members that make it worthwile to advertise?

Maybe they are too embarrassed to let on what happened.

If you really think that a few people boycotting one piddly section of a massive forum is really going to have any impact in site hits you are deluded. In fact if anything all of the bellyaching on this thread over what is nothing more than a storm in a teacup has probably driven hits higher not lower!!!

This board is immense in size, Private Flying is one small corner of it.

But if it makes you feel better keep on going!!

Though I see Bose' point, it is not the whole story. Yes, PPRuNe is someone's private "train set", and we "members" participate at their pleasure. However, as pointed out by Flydive1, I too have a choice. personally, I produce more than I consume on PPRuNe (whether my product is of significant value is another discussion).

Consumers and producers of information (the "members") meet at PPRuNe, and each for their own reasons, receive the satisfaction they seek. If a "member" no longer receives the satisfaction they seek, they won't return. I presume that "members" departing is counter to the general desires of PPRuNe owners. In the big picture PPRuNe must want generally satisfied "members", or things begin to slow down the whole way around. yes, general satisfaction may result in a few isolated cases of member dis-satisfaction, but I'm talking big picture here.

I have considered my interest in continued participation here, if the high wisdom of PPRuNe considers Genghis' contributions of no long term value. The restoration of his posts was a very positive indicator for me, and certainly swayed my feelings. That said, I'm more a producer here than a consumer. I produce for the consumers here, not PPRuNe owners, or the advertisers. If they make a go of it because of my production, that's fine, but it's not my primary objective.

So, as I feel that there is positive response to what I post (though perhaps not from n9 recently), I continue for the consumers who visit PPRuNe. I don't really care who's train set it is, I can take my bridge, and go home any time I want...

A quick check on Alexa shows Pprune is rated worldwide at 26,000. For comparison, Airliners.net sits at 4,000. Even Flyertalk sits at 6000 - not really the same type of site but just shows the potential revenue difference.
In terms of numbers, a site rated just outside the top 1000 is getting over 5m users and 60m hits per annum.
So, I think more than a little way to go yet before terms such as "massive" and "immense" can be applied.
However, I tend to agree with your premise that, if I may paraphrase, no one at IB gives a ****.
Far more dangerous to advertising revenues is the advent and spread of products such as AP which I use permanently. Just my little way of keeping the upperhand :p

As I have said earlier I share Bose's view, however there is another side to the coin which hasn't been put.

While it is the owners toy and they can do as they wish I guess we would all hope the owners value the view of those that post and use the forum. If enough contributors express their concern one would hope they take notice.

In the same vein I suspect their are many who might say the same of their bankers these days or their mobile 'phone providers. Both are companies that seem to forget how important it is to listen to feedback and where appropriate address valid issues raised. Moreover the fact that a relative few express their view strongly doesn't necessarily mean there arent many more listening in and watching. It is a dangerous game to assume those few arent the tip of a much larger iceberg. Of course on the other hand the iceberg might have melted beneath the surface long ago - that is the beauty of being the owner, its for you to make that judgement call. Get it wrong at your peril!

Personally on this occasion I think it is a storm in a tea cup. ;)

I was referring to the sheer number of forums that it hosts. The private flying forum is tiny corner of a very large forum. Even the writing on the forum list is smaller than the other forums.....:p

Private Flying is the second larget forum on Pprune. The first is JetBlast.

Given the double-dealing I have seen regarding this thread over the past week, I know who I believe.
Cheer-Ho all.

Bose

This site survives on its members who in turn attract the advertisers who supply the dough.
No members no Dough simple as that!
In the same way if you ran a restaurant with your attitude you would not survive 5 minutes.
The attitude of stuff the customers go somewhere else if you have any complaints will not make any business successful!
Where you are right is the advertisers! To get those you need the site hits .
General run of the mill aviation topics draw little interest especially when the subject has been done to death numerous times before!
Controversial subjects create the entertainment factor including ones which take a dig at Pprune and the moderators ? All good for business.
Take the Weaver thread! A pretty petty individual who would not generate half an inch in the press.
That thread was bled for all it was worth !
The prune soap ?
Just because the management mods and Pprune are the focus of attack means no more than kicking the dull threads into life with a new focus and more hits!
Who has a new EASA licence ? Sadly will not light anyone's fires !!
As for G members are a pretty good judge and something does not taste right!
This thread 15500 hits So be joyful :E

Pace

Hey Pace, I personally don't care. I was just attempting to bring a little balance to the equation rather than just jumping on the tail of the lynch mob and going for a ride.

It makes not one jot of difference to my life..... :ok:

Well that is an interesting story from Gte..far more weird than I imagined although I did receive some strange PM's over the past few days from someone who I presume was one of the two mentioned in GtE's post.
On balance, I think I have little interest in continuing here but then again, I don't really add much when compared to some :ooh:
So, I think I'll look in from time to time but always with my AdBlock Plus firmly operating ensuring I don't see any of those valuable adverts :E

I'm keen to know who Batman and Robin are. One of them is obvious, the other I can't quite work out.

So now we finally know what all this is about, and the "confidential information" that Pprune Towers spoke about.

Seems like a massive case of over reaction on Pprune's side.

The outcome shows an incredible lack of respect for the views of its users. Can't say that I'm too happy with the situation.

Rog, as for Batman and Robin it seems pretty clear to me. One is a Moderator and the other is a poster doing private investigations. Which one are you having difficulty in figuring out?

This is a very sad state of affairs,

I have learnt a lot from Genghis as indeed many others have.

I hope that we will still see his wisdom and advice here on pprune even if under another username.

I am very unhappy about the way he has been treated here.


coldair