The Dreaded Hi-viz vest
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Unless, like my hi-vis vest, it has reflective stripes on it. I personally don't agree with hi-viz vests - I mean, when an a/c is taxing, it's going at little more than walking speed. and on a takeoff run some daft idiot standing in the middle of the runway would get mashed by the prop hi-viz vest or not.
Hi-vis vests are pointless in Private Aviation.
WelshFlyer.
Hi-vis vests are pointless in Private Aviation.
WelshFlyer.
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After visiting the PFA rally this year where aircraft and pedestrians mixed freely without a high viz vest any where to be seen, it does make you wonder how neccessary they are.
Maybe in future we will have to paint all aircraft in Day-glo so when parked up they dont get run into either.
As a throw away comment will passing pedestrians crossing active runways on public footways at airfields such as Clacton and Little Gransden need to don such garb aswell. I think not.
Its just another nail in the coffin.
Maybe in future we will have to paint all aircraft in Day-glo so when parked up they dont get run into either.
As a throw away comment will passing pedestrians crossing active runways on public footways at airfields such as Clacton and Little Gransden need to don such garb aswell. I think not.
Its just another nail in the coffin.
Helicopter Pilots Get It Up Quicker
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Well, if you don't give enough thought/effort/expense! to your own safety thats your choice... maybe you'll consider the feelings of the person who genuinely didn't see you in your dark t-shirt and black jeans... after all you won't have to wash the bits of body of the prop will you?
People seem unable to spot 4 tonne of ambulance with 30 odd flashing lights and a 110 decibel siren.. never mind I m sure that they will see you 5 - 6' and about 2 square metres...
You pay your money, (or not as the case maybe), and you take your chance....
Anyway I m just p****d off cos I went to Gloucester today and didn't get my free issue...
People seem unable to spot 4 tonne of ambulance with 30 odd flashing lights and a 110 decibel siren.. never mind I m sure that they will see you 5 - 6' and about 2 square metres...
You pay your money, (or not as the case maybe), and you take your chance....
Anyway I m just p****d off cos I went to Gloucester today and didn't get my free issue...
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I thought we switched the rotating beacon on on the ground to indicate we were live and dangerous, not so people could tell we were an aeroplane, but an active one.
HiViz jackets in the day time are probably being enforced at some larger airports so security can distinguish that some one who is wearing one belongs, and someone who isnt doesnt.
In poor winter weather and at night then they probably have a valid safety effect.
I thought we switched the rotating beacon on on the ground to indicate we were live and dangerous, not so people could tell we were an aeroplane, but an active one.
HiViz jackets in the day time are probably being enforced at some larger airports so security can distinguish that some one who is wearing one belongs, and someone who isnt doesnt.
In poor winter weather and at night then they probably have a valid safety effect.
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Flyer are having a competition for wording to go on the back of Hi-Vis Vests that they are intending to produce.
If you have a point to make you have the opportunity to do so here
Mike
If you have a point to make you have the opportunity to do so here
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I worked for the best part of 15 years on the ramp at LHR without one of these day-glo vests and did not have a problem night or day.
The very first time I was forced to put one of these things on I was nearly run down by a van at JER in day light and the van was the only thing on the airfield moving ! , I am only writing this now due to the quick reactions of fast eddie my captain on the day in question.............the day-glo vest was of no help what so ever in protecting me from the idiot in the van who was clearly not looking were he was going.
High vis vests are worth having on a dirty night on the ramp when it is p1ssing with rain and visibility is poor but in normal daylight all they do is give the owner a faulse sence of security and MUCH more important give the safety officers ( people who cant do a real job ) a get out if somethng goes wrong.
Remember ..... common sence is your greatest safety aid not stupid catch all regulations and bit of bright green cloth.
The very first time I was forced to put one of these things on I was nearly run down by a van at JER in day light and the van was the only thing on the airfield moving ! , I am only writing this now due to the quick reactions of fast eddie my captain on the day in question.............the day-glo vest was of no help what so ever in protecting me from the idiot in the van who was clearly not looking were he was going.
High vis vests are worth having on a dirty night on the ramp when it is p1ssing with rain and visibility is poor but in normal daylight all they do is give the owner a faulse sence of security and MUCH more important give the safety officers ( people who cant do a real job ) a get out if somethng goes wrong.
Remember ..... common sence is your greatest safety aid not stupid catch all regulations and bit of bright green cloth.
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The majority of the people who are moaning and bitching about Hi Viz jackets/vests seem to be doing so because of a cost thing, surely this is a safety thing for the benefit of you the wearer and you the donkey who may cause some sort of hazard to anything that is moving, be it Helicopter, aircraft or vehicle, it is mandatory at Blackpool and not once have I heard anyone bitch about it.
If it makes safety 1% better then do it, you know it makes sense Rodney!!
If it makes safety 1% better then do it, you know it makes sense Rodney!!
Right, let's get this into perspective. On a bright, clear day, a high-vis is almost certainly not going to help you. At dusk, dawn or in poor vis, a vest may help. I run an organization of about 80 engineers operating a small fleet of jets. I have now mandated that vests are only to be worn in conditions of low vis or when decreed by me or my deputy. I'm not particularly keen on a loose, flappy vest so I would rather not wear one myself when working around aircraft.
Most accidents in my organization occur when people walk into aircraft not the other way round. Maybe we should paint dayglo all over the jets......mmmmm now there's an idea for the H & S dweebs.
Most accidents in my organization occur when people walk into aircraft not the other way round. Maybe we should paint dayglo all over the jets......mmmmm now there's an idea for the H & S dweebs.
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Would be safer to design a hat with a rotating beacon on the top and make us wear them instead. Then we would be seen day and night. Different colours for Pilots, Marshallers, etc, and if we all switched them on in the clubhouse afterwards we would have an instant disco.
Just a thought
Just a thought
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Why not go another step like Sywell, not only hi-viz jackets,
but erect 8 foot fencing with key code gates. Then keep the codes a secret, no-one gets near the planes, neither pilots or joe public, no planes flying, no accidents. PROBLEM SOLVED.
but erect 8 foot fencing with key code gates. Then keep the codes a secret, no-one gets near the planes, neither pilots or joe public, no planes flying, no accidents. PROBLEM SOLVED.
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Probably OTT at many airfields, but the requirement has necessitated my £9.99 purchase.
On the plus side, if you go down you can wave it at the search & rescue chopper. If you have a rep car put it on the back shelf and pretend to be a traffic cop. You can move parking cones without question. Kids love to wear it with a Bob the Builder hard hat. You can blag your way in past the air cadets at airshows. Put it on your Labrador and get the best seats at sporting events. If you don't think this is a Tenner well spent, look out for nearly new surplus vests with the designer tag 'Connex' since the demise of their franchise.
MAF
On the plus side, if you go down you can wave it at the search & rescue chopper. If you have a rep car put it on the back shelf and pretend to be a traffic cop. You can move parking cones without question. Kids love to wear it with a Bob the Builder hard hat. You can blag your way in past the air cadets at airshows. Put it on your Labrador and get the best seats at sporting events. If you don't think this is a Tenner well spent, look out for nearly new surplus vests with the designer tag 'Connex' since the demise of their franchise.
MAF
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Why not wear your day-glo vest and a bum-bag and stand outside large venues such as pop concerts, footy matches etc, and collect parking fees at the car park. Everyone will think you're legit and the money can pay for an extra few hours of flying....
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Taking safety a little too far? Even the passengers at LTN are wearing vests http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/7...on/luton95.jpg
http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/7...n/luton106.jpg
http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/7...n/luton106.jpg
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Verry funny. Much to my dismay, my airfield has introduced a hi-viz vest policy. Look aout for the above photo appearing on the notice board soon. Anyone like to suggest a caption?