A night I will never forget!! PLease read
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Exactly. Vote with your wallet and let them know why you are doing so. The individuals concerned will probably be safe in their opinion that you were an idiot anyway, but they're still £10/hour or whatever worse off.
(I don't mean you are an idiot! If they have the attitude you describe, THEY probably think everybody else is one and nothing will change that!)
(I don't mean you are an idiot! If they have the attitude you describe, THEY probably think everybody else is one and nothing will change that!)
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I encountered an instructor similar to this very early on in my PPL(A) training. It destroyed my confidence for a very long time, and I would probably have given up if "give up" had been words in my vocabulary, but I'm too stubborn for that. So I changed instructors, managed to carry on, eventually got my PPL. Then he did something similar to another student, who phoned me and said he was giving up flying. This guy wrote to both the club (who I know did nothing) and to the CAA. Belatedly, more angry on his behalf than I had been on my own, I decided to write to the CAA too, since if no-one says anything, nothing ever gets done. I knew several instructors who though he shouldn't be instructing, yet he still is, even now, several years later. Perhaps it's the same guy. ppruner 2003, if you want to send me a pm with his name.... But that's up to you. I'm not going to tell you if you should take it further. But you should definitely find another club. I don't know why, but while learning to fly takes around 45-70 hours approx, developing confidence when flying takes much much longer. Newish pilots tend to be very vulnerable. To those who think you over-reacted, in my experience such reactions are normal - well, common anyway - among low hours pilots...and some who've been flying a long while too. As has been said before, you are the paying customer, and a qualified pilot; you owe it to yourself to go somewhere where you will be respected. As to whether you owe it to the rest of the flying community and future students to report this guy...personally I would, to both the club and the CAA, but that's up to you.
Good luck, hang in there, and enjoy your flying! That last is an order!!!!!!!!
Good luck, hang in there, and enjoy your flying! That last is an order!!!!!!!!
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Oh dear, Wee Pal..I think I'd be very pissed off too & I wouldn't be surprised if other people leave with you in March. Not a good way to treat new members!
Can I suggest you put it all down in writing & give it to a member of the Committee to be read out at the next Committee Meeting, you can even ask that your name is not revealed if you are worried about repercussions. I do think, though, that people need to know what is going on, eh?Please?
Also, I believe there is an AGM coming up, why not air your views, either in person or by letter ?
It's a shame things haven't worked out, but maybe your experience will go some way to changing things. I truly hope so!
I have been there too. It wasn't nice. But, please,please whatever you do, do not let that seed of doubt be planted or it will grow & next thing you know your dream of being a pilot will be pushed further & further away & you will convince yourself you couldn't have done it & give up.Believe me I know!
Get back flying again,wherever it is,remember how enthusiastic you felt when you started flying & try & get that back (not easy, I know after the s*** has hit the fan, but not impossible).And think of all the great experiences you are still going to have, all the great places you are going to fly to & all the flying peeps you are still to meet & talk all kinds of flying c**p to that only we can understand!
Best wishes & good luck ,Alison
Can I suggest you put it all down in writing & give it to a member of the Committee to be read out at the next Committee Meeting, you can even ask that your name is not revealed if you are worried about repercussions. I do think, though, that people need to know what is going on, eh?Please?
Also, I believe there is an AGM coming up, why not air your views, either in person or by letter ?
It's a shame things haven't worked out, but maybe your experience will go some way to changing things. I truly hope so!
I have been there too. It wasn't nice. But, please,please whatever you do, do not let that seed of doubt be planted or it will grow & next thing you know your dream of being a pilot will be pushed further & further away & you will convince yourself you couldn't have done it & give up.Believe me I know!
Get back flying again,wherever it is,remember how enthusiastic you felt when you started flying & try & get that back (not easy, I know after the s*** has hit the fan, but not impossible).And think of all the great experiences you are still going to have, all the great places you are going to fly to & all the flying peeps you are still to meet & talk all kinds of flying c**p to that only we can understand!
Best wishes & good luck ,Alison
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Many thanks for posting the link.
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The Instructor-Student Relationship
If I post another link on this thread, I will probably be accused of hating all instructors (not true!), but anyway here goes: http://avstop.com/Stories/big.html
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Please don't let it knock your confidence. I had a similar experience on a bfr in Florida. My biggest regret is that I let it eat away at me and I refused to get back in a plane for the next 9 months. Thank god I eventually did. It took just one person to nearly ruin the one hobby I had strived for and worked hard for. How dare he?!!
There are quite a number of tossers out there. Just bin the club and find another. Put it down to experience, you'll eventually regain your confidence.
There are quite a number of tossers out there. Just bin the club and find another. Put it down to experience, you'll eventually regain your confidence.
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Hi Pprune2003
This sounds bad , but maybe what happened to me
is just as bad with a very vague instructor - i never knew
what excercises we were going to , no continuity , no
student records I could go on ! - So I told them straight
and went elswhere .
I would suggest you MUST tell them if at an AGM ,so much
the better - be polite and to the point . (type out some
notes ) then stand ,speak up , shut up and sit down .
I think you'll find your approached and asked not leave!!
In life there are times YOU must speak up , otherwise
you'll get to my age and regret it !!
Best of Luck
W
This sounds bad , but maybe what happened to me
is just as bad with a very vague instructor - i never knew
what excercises we were going to , no continuity , no
student records I could go on ! - So I told them straight
and went elswhere .
I would suggest you MUST tell them if at an AGM ,so much
the better - be polite and to the point . (type out some
notes ) then stand ,speak up , shut up and sit down .
I think you'll find your approached and asked not leave!!
In life there are times YOU must speak up , otherwise
you'll get to my age and regret it !!
Best of Luck
W
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a fat instructor speaks
As an instructor at the smaller end of things two points spring to mind. Teaching people to fly can be the most rewarding job in the teaching profession there is. Think about it ,one to one with a supremely motivated individual who really wants to enjoy his or her flying(Im not talking about training the bus drivers as that is a more mundane existance) to the extent that they are parting with their own hard earned cash to do it. As instructors we must never lose sight of the fact that we are a branch of the leasure industry and at least part of the job is to ensure that the student leaves the airfield each day with their tail up and feeling that they have learned somthing and enjoyed doing it.
From the 1960's my family ran a large pony trekking site in the lakes and recruted about 10 trekk leaders every summer. It was an education to see the number of technically proficient qualified people who were absolutly c**p at relating to there fellow human
beings apart from in a condicending "I know all about this and you don't" sort of way.
A few of these Gorgons younger brothers who obviously couldn't get into the airforce gravitated into flying schools where they can feed a sad little ego by bolloking students and making them feel small.
My advice , take your check book else where but first tell the instructor s C.F.I why, and if he or she does not at least try to keep you with the club I would tell the said instructor to his face that he is a rubbish communicator and should take up a more fitting career like gassing badgers where his head firmly inserted between the cheeks of his arse would at least keep the gass at bay.
Remember a man who cannot change his mind hasn't got one
pip pip ianH
From the 1960's my family ran a large pony trekking site in the lakes and recruted about 10 trekk leaders every summer. It was an education to see the number of technically proficient qualified people who were absolutly c**p at relating to there fellow human
beings apart from in a condicending "I know all about this and you don't" sort of way.
A few of these Gorgons younger brothers who obviously couldn't get into the airforce gravitated into flying schools where they can feed a sad little ego by bolloking students and making them feel small.
My advice , take your check book else where but first tell the instructor s C.F.I why, and if he or she does not at least try to keep you with the club I would tell the said instructor to his face that he is a rubbish communicator and should take up a more fitting career like gassing badgers where his head firmly inserted between the cheeks of his arse would at least keep the gass at bay.
Remember a man who cannot change his mind hasn't got one
pip pip ianH
