Glider PPL (I dont understand this)
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Re Northuimbria and gliding clubs generally, the only way to get good information is to ask them directly.
As a general rule, prices per minute quoted are for their full flying members to use the club gliders or motor glider, and the instruction is mostly at weekends by volunteers so no extra charge. To be a full flying member you have to pay their membership fees, also as shown on their website.
BUT - what they offer is probably not what you want. Most gliding glubs which have motor gliders and quote fees per minute for them are using them for GLIDING instruction, not motor gliding tuition. The instructor would typically have a GLIDING instructor rating, and an SLMG PPL - a combination which allows for teaching gliding exercises in the SLMG, but does not permit one to teach SLMG flying for an SLGM licence.
Many gliding clubs also run midweek courses. In these, there is usually a fixed fee for the course, which includes both hire fees for gliders (and motor gliders if used) and costs of paying for a professional instructor.
To find if Northumbria GC, or any other GC, provide what you want, you will have to ask them.
The only place I have experience of for SLMG tuition was Enstone years ago. I did a conversion/extra rating for what was then PPL goup D, having done a PPL A. I believe they still have an SLMG operation there.
As a general rule, prices per minute quoted are for their full flying members to use the club gliders or motor glider, and the instruction is mostly at weekends by volunteers so no extra charge. To be a full flying member you have to pay their membership fees, also as shown on their website.
BUT - what they offer is probably not what you want. Most gliding glubs which have motor gliders and quote fees per minute for them are using them for GLIDING instruction, not motor gliding tuition. The instructor would typically have a GLIDING instructor rating, and an SLMG PPL - a combination which allows for teaching gliding exercises in the SLMG, but does not permit one to teach SLMG flying for an SLGM licence.
Many gliding clubs also run midweek courses. In these, there is usually a fixed fee for the course, which includes both hire fees for gliders (and motor gliders if used) and costs of paying for a professional instructor.
To find if Northumbria GC, or any other GC, provide what you want, you will have to ask them.
The only place I have experience of for SLMG tuition was Enstone years ago. I did a conversion/extra rating for what was then PPL goup D, having done a PPL A. I believe they still have an SLMG operation there.
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The answer is yes you can convert a TMG/SLMG rating into pplA. You may get your hours credited you may not. The number of hours you get credited may not be as many as you would like. If as you say have caught the flying bug then fly what ever you can.
You say your dad will only let you fly 1 hour a month and that this is not practical. In what way is this not practical? It might not be the most cost effective way to go but if he's paying why are you complaining. 1 hour a month will take you longer than flying more often but it's still flying.
The answer is yes you can convert a TMG/SLMG rating into pplA. You may get your hours credited you may not. The number of hours you get credited may not be as many as you would like. If as you say have caught the flying bug then fly what ever you can.
You say your dad will only let you fly 1 hour a month and that this is not practical. In what way is this not practical? It might not be the most cost effective way to go but if he's paying why are you complaining. 1 hour a month will take you longer than flying more often but it's still flying.
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Dunno how you could manage only flying once a month. I would lower my sights from a PPL(A) and try and go gliding once a week.
Show up, help out, and you never know, people might try and help you out with a little airplane time.
Good luck. BTW, after 100+ hours I still have my hands full with a 172 doing approaches under the hood.
152 is a good cheap slow plane for doing your PPL. After all, it's not distance you log, it's hours !
Show up, help out, and you never know, people might try and help you out with a little airplane time.
Good luck. BTW, after 100+ hours I still have my hands full with a 172 doing approaches under the hood.
152 is a good cheap slow plane for doing your PPL. After all, it's not distance you log, it's hours !
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If you have a TMG rating then you already have a JAA PPL. To add a SEP Class rating to that PPL you do sufficient training to pass the SEP Class Rating Test. All quite simple.
If you have a SLMG PPL then that is now a NPPL and you will have to do lots more to get your JAA PPL with a SEP Class Rating i.e. all of the exams, 30 hours training and an initial issue Skill Test.
There was a SLMG + 75 hours conversion for pre JAR pilots holding a UK PPL but that won't apply to the NPPL.
If you have a SLMG NPPL to add a SEP Class to the NPPL you just do differences training. This is the easiest and cheapest option but won't get you a JAA PPL.
If you want to spend a lot of your future flying, the JAA PPL is the only route. A TMG rating will not be any cheaper than a SEP rating.
If you have a SLMG PPL then that is now a NPPL and you will have to do lots more to get your JAA PPL with a SEP Class Rating i.e. all of the exams, 30 hours training and an initial issue Skill Test.
There was a SLMG + 75 hours conversion for pre JAR pilots holding a UK PPL but that won't apply to the NPPL.
If you have a SLMG NPPL to add a SEP Class to the NPPL you just do differences training. This is the easiest and cheapest option but won't get you a JAA PPL.
If you want to spend a lot of your future flying, the JAA PPL is the only route. A TMG rating will not be any cheaper than a SEP rating.
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PWP,
You pay for the lessons. Your dad only allows you one lesson a month.
Has he singled out JAA PPL lessons?
Has he said you can have more than one motorglider lesson a month?
Has he said you can have more that one lesson a month if you do a NPPL instead of a JAA one?
Surely since cost is not a problem and parental approval is, why do you think switching from an expensive flying lesson to a cheap flying lesson is going to change anything dad-wise?
Carlito
You pay for the lessons. Your dad only allows you one lesson a month.
Has he singled out JAA PPL lessons?
Has he said you can have more than one motorglider lesson a month?
Has he said you can have more that one lesson a month if you do a NPPL instead of a JAA one?
Surely since cost is not a problem and parental approval is, why do you think switching from an expensive flying lesson to a cheap flying lesson is going to change anything dad-wise?
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Count your blessings
Excellent posts, Carlito and Genghis.
It is hell to be a teenager; I wouldn't want to go through that again! But PWP, the fact remains that for the time being you have to live with your Dad and do things according to his rules. Rightly or wrongly, many parents wouldn't allow their children to take lessons at all ("too dangerous", "you need to concentrate on your schoolwork", etc.). If Dad is prepared to live with one hour a month, that's certainly better than nothing.
I agree with the suggestion that you should join the ATC.
It is hell to be a teenager; I wouldn't want to go through that again! But PWP, the fact remains that for the time being you have to live with your Dad and do things according to his rules. Rightly or wrongly, many parents wouldn't allow their children to take lessons at all ("too dangerous", "you need to concentrate on your schoolwork", etc.). If Dad is prepared to live with one hour a month, that's certainly better than nothing.
I agree with the suggestion that you should join the ATC.
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I have managed to get things sorted out. I will be habing one a month for the first couple of months just so i can prove to my dad that im serious about it.
Then i will get one every two weeks.
I know it sounds as if i have been going to start my lessons for the past couple of months now but it has been hell trying to get lessons booked at the flying school. I went in at the end of last month and the earliest i could get on a weekend when im free was Sunday November 3rd. So, not long now.
I got all my equipment and now im just waiting for the first lesson, i cant wiat.
Then i will get one every two weeks.
I know it sounds as if i have been going to start my lessons for the past couple of months now but it has been hell trying to get lessons booked at the flying school. I went in at the end of last month and the earliest i could get on a weekend when im free was Sunday November 3rd. So, not long now.
I got all my equipment and now im just waiting for the first lesson, i cant wiat.
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You've had problems getting bookings at the club. A common problem. Once they know your face, that'll get easier, especially if you get a regular slot and show up each time.
One thing I'll gaurantee you. You'll be cancelled a lot, weather, tech, double bookings etc. So there will be more disappointments. Don't lose heart because you don't get your once a month or twice a month lesson every time.
At this time of the year you'll be lucky to fly in 50% of your booked slots.
Don't worry: There are fantastic crisp, clear winter days where weather is perfect for flying ( as long as you wrap up well for the walkaround) and come next spring and summer you'll be solo or ready for it, then you have the summer months to enjoy cross countries.
Remember to enjoy it!
Carlito
One thing I'll gaurantee you. You'll be cancelled a lot, weather, tech, double bookings etc. So there will be more disappointments. Don't lose heart because you don't get your once a month or twice a month lesson every time.
At this time of the year you'll be lucky to fly in 50% of your booked slots.
Don't worry: There are fantastic crisp, clear winter days where weather is perfect for flying ( as long as you wrap up well for the walkaround) and come next spring and summer you'll be solo or ready for it, then you have the summer months to enjoy cross countries.
Remember to enjoy it!
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There have been a couple of replies here that should have provided you with enough information to be able to achieve a level of experience at a very low cost ie via the ATC but you seem to have studiously ignored these suggestions, and instead tried find an answer that was able to provide you with a quick fix to your "problem".
As a gliding instructor I often started courses by explaining to students that being very apprehensive about flying was normal . at the start but much of the unease would dissapear with experience. I was always very careful to add that when the day came and they could get into the aircraft with absolutely certainty that nothing could go wrong it was time to take up golf or fishing or something where being in a hurry is not a shortcut to you or some innocent dying too quickly. Reading back through your replies to other posts I hope I am reading the situation wrongly and that you are in fact starting out on a hobby/pastime/future in which you will excel and not on some mission to prove you can do this very quickly at all costs.
As a gliding instructor I often started courses by explaining to students that being very apprehensive about flying was normal . at the start but much of the unease would dissapear with experience. I was always very careful to add that when the day came and they could get into the aircraft with absolutely certainty that nothing could go wrong it was time to take up golf or fishing or something where being in a hurry is not a shortcut to you or some innocent dying too quickly. Reading back through your replies to other posts I hope I am reading the situation wrongly and that you are in fact starting out on a hobby/pastime/future in which you will excel and not on some mission to prove you can do this very quickly at all costs.
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As his last post was back in March 2003, somehow, I doubt that you'll get an answer.
I wish I'd had his confidence to take two lessons & then spend £300 on 'all the equipment'.
I wish I'd had his confidence to take two lessons & then spend £300 on 'all the equipment'.
